xbl is very anti social.. there needs to be a forced game chat

Since when is it in their TOU/TOS that they shouldn't have to place special algorythms? It's Micro$oft's service, and I rather have to disagree with that. Besides, if this really is the case and console banning isn't
working then they clearly need to look into the matter of IP banning altogether, as in their own actual internet connection. it doesn't matter how hard people try to find ways around it because the suecrity is also always going to get updated as well, things
get updated all the time. If they really feel they shouldn't have to do this then mayube they should've never started an online service from the start if they can't accept all the responsibilities that come with it.

 

Wouldn't do much good to ban an IP if it's dynamic. I'm sure there are more permanent ways to ban someone, but that's not it.

 

Well, I don't know whether or not it works the same, but this 1 site with Flash chats, which is now closed down, used to do it. I'm sure there are plenty others that do similarly. And I'm fairly certain my cable connection is
dynamic because I didn't have to go through any complex (to me at the time, anyway) configurations as I once did with DSL to get connect to XBox Live. So yeah, unless anybody lese sees a more permanent, effective ban other than IP ban, I see no other way
around it.

 

As Bong said, IP bans are a worthless measure.

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Most people use dynamic IPs, meaning it changes every time they connect to the internet or reset their router.

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It is quite rare for a ISP to give an individual a static IP, one that stays the same no matter what, and when they do it is usually for an extra cost.

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So all an IP ban would do is cause a troublemaker a two minute inconvenience and move that banned IP onto another innocent person.

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The only way to effectively IP ban would be to block the whole range of IPs in use by the offenders ISP, but then you'd also be banning thousands of innocent people as well.

 

i cant believe what some of you are saying. forced game chat? do you also believe in communism? nobody should be forced into anything. maybe you should turn your game off and go outside and talk to people if its so important to have voice communication or
stop being a moron and using your kinect as a mic. when people like you come into a game room, i mute you immediately. i mute you because of the echo the kinect usually brings. that and i dont wanna hear the rest of your friends and family yapping it up or
your dog(s) barking.

 

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no one speaks, we have kinect as mic and most games don't support it.. i hate anti social gamers, they should just play offline with bots, part of why i prefer xbl is the community but party chat & anti social gamers are ruining the experience

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This is an issue that I really am rather neutral on. Game chat is ridden with a certain type of "people". If it were forced then I would certainly have to go without the headset. I prefer to party with those who I can tolorate,
people who can understand more than just game stats and celebrities.

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I know that you want to win your games and communicate your callouts and whatever but after a week of it you would realize it is not as fun or beneficial as you may think. I actually am motivated to do worse when the arrogant
attitudes are displayed.

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The only reason I partially support forced game chat is because the offensive users who are breaking the rules are more easily caught when not isolated in party chat.

 

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As Bong said, IP bans are a worthless measure.

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Most people use dynamic IPs, meaning it changes every time they connect to the internet or reset their router.

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It is quite rare for a ISP to give an individual a static IP, one that stays the same no matter what, and when they do it is usually for an extra cost.

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So all an IP ban would do is cause a troublemaker a two minute inconvenience and move that banned IP onto another innocent person.

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The only way to effectively IP ban would be to block the whole range of IPs in use by the offenders ISP, but then you'd also be banning thousands of innocent people as well.

[/quote]Well then if IP ban isn't the way to go, because it seems obvious to me the most direct way to go about it, why doesn't anyone else please elabporate this "more permanent" ban solution? How else would anyone go about
obtaining the most direct form of info about your connection and/or location pertaining to that connection to take appropriate actions? (Surely not DDOS/DOS because that's more of a hack job, realy.) I Mean it's not like we're talking about your internet
connection here, you're connecting to a social network service.

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i cant believe what some of you are saying. forced game chat? do you also believe in communism? nobody should be forced into anything. maybe you should turn your game off and go outside and talk to people if its so important to have voice communication or
stop being a moron and using your kinect as a mic. when people like you come into a game room, i mute you immediately. i mute you because of the echo the kinect usually brings. that and i dont wanna hear the rest of your friends and family yapping it up or
your dog(s) barking.

[/quote]I believe you're missing the logic here. 1st off, nobody's "forcing" you to do these things; You're making the choice all by yourself once you decide to head into said social environments, whether be online or real life.
that said, maybe you shouldn't venture off into said environments if you can't accept the circumstances and possible repercussions whether good or bad. Though it's just as important for everybody to understand and realize which environments are appropriate
for their age/maurity range, and I think everybody here knows where I'm going with this.
That's where 1 of the initial problems is coming into playand cuasing riots for everybody else, though that doesn't necessarily rule out/exemplify the rest of the remaining people out there with whatever problems they may have lurking inside them.
Nobody's being a moron, here, and there'sd really no reason to mute everybody immediately, either. Just mute only the 1s you don't want to hear. What good does it do you to mute everybody who isn't doing you any trouble or annoyances? Ignore the the background
noises if it's not important.

 

When I said "I'm sure" a more permanent solution exists, I might have misspoken a bit. I might "I assume" such a solution exists. I remember hearing a couple of people discussing that there was a way to block a single physical location from accessing an
internet service once before on these forums, but for all I know that might just be rumor and speculation on their part.

 

Party chat is fantastic. I'm sorry to those who like to hear others play, but I could care less these days, especially when all I hear in game chats is racist rants, annoying kids and people screaming. Also the kinect mic is by far the most overpowered and
annoying things to hear. I'm sticking to party chat because a lot of people like to be annoying. If you want people to talk to you, invite them to a party chat or start adding people to your friends list.

 

Online gaming is very anti social. And you all should have seen it coming. Back in the day before party chat.. omg. People are such jerks and most of those jerks feel empowered online all big and bad which leads to trash talking. Not to mention the perverts
that lurk in every corner of xbox live. Being in a game with people who are being incredibly rude sucks.. but with party chat. I know theres a mute option ofcourse but what if you want to play with your frirnds who playing battlefeild 4 and your on cod ghost?
Party chat is needed. I'd love to find gamers who wanted to be friendly and social though. You still can too. Just keep an ear out. And the whole kinect mic thing oh mah gerd. XD yeah yeah... I DO NOT want to hwar your family, your kids, your bongs, your coughing,
etc

kinect should be used with games as a tool, a video chat device and to send pics to your friends... AND PERSONAL GAMERPICS *cough* bring them backkkkk.. Kinect is a horrid chat device.

 

I only use game chat anymore. Its annoying when people hole up in their party's and can't play objectively. I find I mute more people in party's then in game chat. I think party chat should be disabled in game.

The biggest problem has always been muting people in a timely manner, you know figuring out who is actually bugging you in chat and muting them before you lose the match while navigating through recent players.

 

As long as games don't require you to have voice chat equipment in order to play, there's absolutely no legitimate way or reason to force people out of party chat. The best we can hope for is that games are developed that strongly encourage in-game chat,
gaining strong tactical advantage to users who can communicate with each other in-game, beyond the coordination of users chatting together in a Party.