MU7000 and Xbox One X - black color crush problems

Discus and support MU7000 and Xbox One X - black color crush problems in XBoX on Consoles to solve the problem; My games suffer from crushed black on my new MU7000. Here are the settings I use on my Xbox One X. I use limited HDMI black levels on both Xbox and... Discussion in 'XBoX on Consoles' started by daFeef, Nov 22, 2017.

  1. daFeef
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    MU7000 and Xbox One X - black color crush problems


    My games suffer from crushed black on my new MU7000. Here are the settings I use on my Xbox One X.



    I use limited HDMI black levels on both Xbox and the TV, in fact if I set color depth to 10bit on my Xbox everything is getting set up automatically. I also tried 8bit (why would I if the TV supports 10 bit?) and I get to choose HDMI black levels and everything.
    I can play around with every combination of low/high on both the TV and the console, but I only get two results. Crushed blacks or a washed out image. It's pretty fast to identify thanks to the built in calibration images into the Xbox One.



    Raising gamma levels on the TV does not solve the problems as it seems like to simply "lose" black colors and they are not displayed.



    I would appreciate any help, thanks!

    :)
     
    daFeef, Nov 22, 2017
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  2. QTweeder
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    Live TV Quality Degrades After Update

    looks to have fixed the stuttering, but hasnt fixed the "black crush" (the darkening of the picture) issue, i truly hope the hdmi color space/black crush issue is something that is known about and will be looked at
     
    QTweeder, Nov 22, 2017
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    Alchemist Don, Nov 22, 2017
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  4. jamaican me sane Win User

    Reference Levels and HDMI Color Space Settings

    •STANDARD makes use of the entire grayscale.

    •INTERMEDIATE uses only a part of it, crushing the white end of the spectrum.

    •EXPANDED crushes black.

    Crushing one end of the grayscale will highlight the other end. So you'll notice shades of black and vibrant color in Intermediate. Shades of white are more prominent in Expanded Mode where scenes appear brighter and less saturated. (With white levels and
    crushed blacks Expanded seems like a massive leap in contrast.)
  5. QTweeder Win User

    Live TV Quality Degrades After Update

    looks to have fixed the stuttering, but hasnt fixed the "black crush" (the darkening of the picture) issue, i truly hope the hdmi color space/black crush issue is something that is known about and will be looked at
  6. Elohmn Win User

    What are your thoughts with the Xbox One Slim?

    [quote user="brandiesel1"]What exactly is HDR and how is it supposed to make it better?

    [/quote]

    High Dynamic Range (HDR) is essentially a more true and corrected level of Colors and the Black Value. Remember the the "black crush" argument seen on the Xbox 360 and early trailers of even BF4 on the Xbox One? That is in part due
    to not having a large enough range for accurate colors in a given black value.

    In short, HDR will produce a cleaner and more accurate colored picture without sacrificing black values.
  7. jamaican me sane Win User

    Reference Levels and HDMI Color Space Settings

    I get what you are saying. I was talking about one's visual impression of these options as seen on a TV using an HDMI connection where it is expecting a digital color space, YCbCr, within a limited range (16 - 235).

    .

    It's like having a black versus a white *gasp* iPhone or iPad. A black frame--crushed blacks in this case--emphasizes the lighter end of the spectrum. Whereas a white frame makes the darker end more noticeable. So on the one hand, high contrast and
    less saturated colors are prominent, but vibrant color and shades of black are more noticeable on the other.

    .

    With a clear frame neither black nor white are overpowering, and effect can seem underwhelming on all but professionally calibrated TVs. This of course would be the Standard setting.

    .

    I think problems arise when a TV is expecting one range but getting another and hence must resort to clipping or filling in the blanks--this mind you to a video stream that may already have crushed blacks or whites.
  8. Alchemist Don Win User

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