if i get the pc xbox game pass do i have to buy the games separate like say the new forza...

They're included with the subscription. So as long as you have the subscription and as long as the games are included, you can access them. If you want to get rid of the subscription or the games are removed from Game Pass, you would need to purchase them if you want to continue playing them.

So your saying my family of 5 with 1 pc has to have 5 separate game pass subscriptions to use game pass on there pc accounts? I don't need to do this with the Xbox why is it different on the pc? I should be able to buy game pass for the pc and everyone that uses it has access

I was considering exchanging a few games and getting Forza 4 second hand (no DLC) with it, if I do what car pack would I not get that comes with a new copy of the game? I'm likely to get the season pass as i've a shedload of MS points not used yet, but are
the cars that come with the game initially available to buy separately as DLC...?

So if I have pc game pass for my pc and I have a console with no subscriptionbeing paid on it, will the pc game pass make it so the console has the game pass subscription to or do I have to buy a separate game pass for the console?

Hi,

As you are on pc , you should buy Ultimate game pass to get all features.

Regards

Unless you ALSO have a Xbox console, you do NOT have to buy the Ultimate Game Pass.

Online Multiplayer on the PC does NOT require you to have a Gold subscription. So you'd be wasting money for a service you don't use. If you only play on the PC, the Game Pass for PC is enough.

If however you DO have a Xbox One, and you are already paying for a separate Gold membership, just get Ultimate, as you then get the two Game Passes (Console and PC) as well as Gold for console, and you basically get one of the Game Pass subscriptions "for
free", compared to buying all three subscriptions separately.