Xinput navigation for the Windows 10 app

PortoMavericks · Jan 4, 2016

Guys, I think it's really important to have Xinput navigation through the app itself.

For those not familiar, Xinput is Xbox Controller as form of interactivity on Windows Apps.

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Vile80r · Jan 4, 2016

When will the XBOX ONE controller get impulse response triggers on PC games, not purchased from Windows Store?

Xbox One and its controller have been on the market for 3 years now. Windows 10 has been out about 15-16 months. As the title states, why? Why hasn't Xinput been updated and expanded to utilize this function or some method to bridge Xinput and WinRT APIs.

It may sound trivial but Tomb Raider purchased from Windows Store uses the impulse triggers Tomb Raider purchased from Steam, or wherever else, no impulse triggers.This is dumb. A game made to run on the Windows OS should offer the same experience regardless
of where it was purchased. Why is there a discrepancy?

Celidor · Jan 4, 2016

When will the XBOX ONE controller get impulse response triggers on PC games, not purchased from Windows Store?

Seems like Microsoft does not care. They focus on their terrible UWP and have abandoned any updating of Xinput. As if we should just buy windows store versions. But the windows store versions are inferior in every way and most games are not even available
on the Windows Store. I have waited for years and nothing has changed.

It is not the developers fault because Microsoft has only added support for Xbox one controllers through the UWP. All support for Xbox one controllers outside of the Windows Store is through an outdated Xinput that sees any Xbox one controller as an Xbox
360 controller which has no support for impulse/rumble triggers. The last time Xinput received an update was back when Windows 8 was their newest OS.

Perhaps a petition should be started to convince Microsoft that this is a feature that people want to see, and that there are thousands if not millions of annoyed customers who expected their Xbox one controllers to be fully compatible on windows 10.

If the UWP wasn't so terrible and restricted in so many ways there would probably be more Games on it and they would receive the full impulse trigger support. But the UWP is so unredeemably bad that developers and consumers alike have mostly avoided it.

Please update Xinput Microsoft. People want full controller support!

maxen · Jan 4, 2016

Hello PortoMavericks,

This is not something that is currently supported, so it's not really a Support issue, however I think it's definitely valuable feedback, so you should submit it to the Feedback Site:

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The feedback site is used by the development teams to prioritise future updates and see what suggestions they could implement in later updates.

maxen

Hello PortoMavericks,

This is not something that is currently supported, so it's not really a Support issue, however I think it's definitely valuable feedback, so you should submit it to the Feedback Site:

http://feedback.xbox.com/

The feedback site is used by the development teams to prioritise future updates and see what suggestions they could implement in later updates.

Obsessive Power

Has Microsoft officially stopped supporting Xbox 360 Controllers in a PC environment?

No. The Xbox 360 controllers use the Xinput API which is the same thing Xbox One controllers and other Xinput compatible controllers use.

For Xinput compatible controllers from other manufacturers, Windows 10 will either see them as an Xbox 360 or an Xbox One controller, it depends on the age of the controller.

Obsessive Power

Hi,

The reason why it doesn't work in Windows 10 Store games (UWP) is because the Dual Shock 4 isn't a Xinput device and therefore Windows itself won't see it as such. Steam has built in support for all sorts of controllers and can provide Xinput from its own
software. That's why it works in Steam but not Win 10 games.

The only way I know of is by DS4Windows, although not owning a DS4 controller I have no experience myself.

PepsiIsNice62

Hi Kathy

Thanks for the response. Yes, I am developing a software solution for controllers. I can provide the detailed description of what I am trying to do.

First off, I am a software developer that tailors towards windows gaming handhelds (Aya Neo, One X Player, GPD). These are excellent devices, with built in Xinput controllers. This makes playing games mobile wonderful, but other tasks are more difficult.

Two scenarios:

Playing docked to a TV. If you use an external controller, the built in one interferes with player assignment. You need to disable it to make the externally controller player 1 or use 4 external controllers.

Using an emulated mouse with the built in controller. Using the joystick for mouse emulation is great for getting little things done. However, dwm.exe often picks up the controller and creates its own navigation method for menus. The dwm.exe navigation is not convenient for these gaming handhelds and interferes with the emulated mouse navigation. You can see this in the Linus Tech Tips video here: https://youtu.be/TQV5ZywkAx8?t=461.

In windows 10, I developed a method to disable the xinput controller without restarting, by using handle.exe to quickly end the process resources and disabling. This worked wonderful. A process that would occasionally pick up the xinput controller was dwm.exe. Handle.exe was able to end the resource. The only negative side effect has a momentary loss of the screen.

In windows 11, using handle.exe to end the dwm.exe controller resource causes a blue screen of death.

Ultimately my goal would be control of how the xinput controller is used in windows. I would like to be able to disable it when needed without restarting. I would also like to see the controller navigation be able to turn off.

I can do both fairly reliably if I didn't have to do deal with dwm.exe picking up the controller resource.

Is there a better forum to post this to?

Best Regards,

Chris

MasterTapeey

Hope if I'll try these methods.

Questions you asked:

- I have connected the Xbox 360 controller via Play and Charge, no juice despite listed and connected via USB.

- I'm using Windows 10

- I haven't installed Xinput, but I would give it a try. (Xinput also does not recognize the controller)

Xinput navigation for the Windows 10 app