Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time

Discus and support Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time in XBoX on Consoles to solve the problem; The below are not my words. They are someone elses writeup of a test they did. I am also having the same issue. Can we get someone on the Xbox Team to... Discussion in 'XBoX on Consoles' started by Nismo 7, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Nismo 7
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    Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time


    The below are not my words. They are someone elses writeup of a test they did. I am also having the same issue. Can we get someone on the Xbox Team to open a support ticket to the engineering team so we can get this huge inconvience resolved please?

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    Over the course of the past month, I've been playing around with the Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) and Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) options on my Xbox One X (X1X) as displayed on my LG C9 OLED. I've discovered a bug with how the two features interact
    (as I will outline below) and through additional research, I believe the bug is on the X1X side. I hope this long post helps somebody...anybody.

    Note: On the C9, other than a popup notification that appears when ALLM engages, there is no visible indicator in any menu that the TV is in ALLM. The easiest way to tell if the C9 is in ALLM is to set the picture to Cinema mode and then select Picture
    Options. If Noise Reduction and Smooth Gradiation are "grayed out" (i.e. unselectable), the TV is in ALLM. Other manufacturers may have indicators and/or different ways of confirming the mode is engaged. A menu indicator for LG would be fantastic.


    When I first setup the TV and connected my X1X, I immediately turned on the ALLM functionality on the TV and selected the checkboxes for "Allow auto low-latency mode" and "Allow variable refresh rate" on the X1X. I quickly noticed that in addition to
    the desired effect of engaging ALLM while gaming, the TV seemed to stay in ALLM mode no matter what I was doing. On the dashboard, using the X1X Netflix

    App, using the X1X YouTube App, watching cable through my X1X...it was always engaging the low latency mode. The only time I noticed ALLM disengaging was when watching a BluRay or UHD BluRay through the X1X disc player (this is still the only circumstance
    where I can find the TV disengaging the ALLM when VRR is active).

    I posted this concern on the rtings.com discussion boards and Adam Babcock responded with: "Do you have the variable refresh rate feature enabled on the Xbox? It appears that this forces the TV into game mode at all times, even
    if you aren’t in a game." https://www.rtings.com/tv/discussion...-actually-work

    Adam is great, but because I'm a "trust, but verify" type of guy, I went in and unchecked "Allow variable refresh rate" on my X1X and redid my checks. Sure enough, as he suggested, the X1X immediately started behaving differently. The ALLM would
    only engage when I booted up a game from the dashboard. In all of the other X1X streaming video apps, and while hanging out on the dashboard, ALLM would not kick-in. In other words, once I turned off VRR, the ALLM behaved like I though
    It should.

    But what if I was wrong? What if, despite being counter-intuitive, VRR was supposed to engage ALLM at all times except for disc-based video content on the X1X? Nope, according to
    HDMI.org, my understanding of ALLM and how it is supposed to work with VRR is correct : "Your gaming box will take care of these choices for you. If you are
    streaming video or playing a BluRay, it would only enable QMS; if you fire up a game, it would enable ALLM, VRR, and QFT, depending on what your system supports." (emphasis added)
    https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/index.aspx

    Now, knowing that the way VRR and ALLM were interacting was not according to specification in my setup, it was clearly a bug and not a feature. The question remaining was, is it a problem with the X1X or my LG C9 OLED? I'm still not 100% certain, but
    I'm growing increasingly convinced that the problem is with the X1X. I've found numerous comments on Reddit where people with different TV sizes and/or manufacturers report encountering this same problem. See a few examples below:


    I'm going to do my best to try to get this to the attention of Microsoft, but in the interim, the most practical solution I've found is to turn off VRR on the X1X but keep ALLM active. This way, ALLM behaves properly and I can just turn on VRR when playing
    the limited games on the system that support it.

    Please let me know if you've encountered anything differently with your setup or TV.

    TL; DR - ALLM and VRR do not function properly when passed from the X1X. When VRR is on, it forces all content (except disc-based video) in to ALLM. When VRR is off, ALLM functions properly (i.e. only engages during gaming). This
    appears to be a bug in the way that the X1X is sending the ALLM and VRR flags to the TV.


    :)
     
    Nismo 7, Jul 18, 2019
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  2. Njal the Blue Win User

    Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time

    If you aren't in the Xbox Insider Preview program, you can still download the Xbox Insider Hub app on your console. You do not need to join the program but it allows you to report any bugs you are seeing. When you have an issue press and hold the Xbox
    button on the controller till the "waht would you like to do?" screen comes up, then select "report a problem". Buy doing this, the development team get the necessary data to investigate the issues you are having.
  3. Nismo 7 Win User

    Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time

    I tried the insiders reddit, but got the Autoreply bot instead of my post.

    If you're on an Xbox One, please do the following:

    • File a bug from the console by long-pressing the Nexus button and choosing Report-a-Problem.
    • After reporting your problem, fully restart the console (Guide > RB to Settings, down to Restart)

    If you're seeing an error code, make sure to mention it in your post. For additional info:


    If you're on PC or mobile, file a bug using that app's feedback option which is sometimes marked by a smiley face.

    Additional detail and discussion is welcome here on the subreddit.

    This post is automatic and was based on OP's use of the Possible Issue tag.

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  4. RobertSteeleXY Win User

    Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time

    Have you considered joining the XBox Insiders Preview Program and using the report problem function of the Hub?

    You might also go to the XBox Insiders Reddit Forum and post your question there where the developers interact.
    I did, but the hub's freeform section isn't nearly long enough for me to post the full write-up.
  5. Flavius Win User

    Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time

    I have the EXACT same issue from original post with LG C9 OLED and VRR on X1X. My other issue is that I can’t tell if VRR is working in any game. There is no notification given if VRR engages like there is with HDR modes. What’s a good game to test for
    obvious differences?
  6. AquarrzSudnnym Win User

    Xbox One: VRR Enabled Causes Issue with ALLM TV Picture Mode On All the Time

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