XBOX One APU, cannot understand Microsoft decision on making the Graphics (Rant)

Why does the APU of XBOX One feature using 12 of 14 Compute Units? In any case what does it mean to improve yield? Would it have been a better decision than a 6.6% frequency boost to the GPU by using all the Compute Units clocked a 1Ghz? Way-to-go Microsoft.

Note: I am still a fan of Microsoft's Operating Systems and their Gaming Consoles, great costumer service.

:)

 

XBOX One APU, cannot understand Microsoft decision on making the GPU. (rant)

What Daft wrote. You only have to make one thread.

 

XBOX One APU, cannot understand Microsoft decision on making the GPU. (rant)

No need to make duplicate threads about the same subject.

There's already one in the xbox one discussion forums.

 

Woooosssshhhh straight over my head that went lol !!

 

It would be good if they programmed the software to use all 8 cores on the AMD Jaguar 8 core APU the clock speed is 1.75ghz. Games obviously look better on xbox 1 than they do on xbox 360. With zoo tycoon just to illustrate, there is no multiplayer no kinect
features and smaller zoo sizes on the 360 version due to 360 hardware limitations. No point of having 8 cores if nothing is going to use all 8 cores. If its not using all 8 cores the system isnt performing to its best.

 

I'm with Mr. Boozyhead on this 1 - it went straight over my head! Although, I understood what SSB was saying, as I've heard it before. Could someone elaborate on the OP's post please?

 

OP makes no sense... even if you try to read it like you do not understand...

this statement alone...

Why does the APU of XBOX One feature using 12 of 14 Compute Units?

would even make developers ask.. WTF is he talking about>

 

The GPU has 14 CU but only 12 are used. The other 2 are redundant because enabling them would mean that they cant be guaranteed to work on every chip produced, due to manufacturing faults on the chip.

 

I'm with Mr Boozyhead, that went straight over my head!

In fact, it flew off, went and made a cup of tea, came back, flew around my head a few more times and now it's gone again.

On a positive not, at least I know how to turn my Xbox One on and start playing games

 

It can be seen as a safety net or less thought in compatibility of components by design, Either a bad decision or a safe decision.

 

This is a very complex issue.... Especially when you factor in the upcoming directx 12...

You can always add more power, the question is can you use it with the bandwidth you have. The PS4 has more power and is optimised to use it. And it shows mostly.

I'd argue that the xbox one hardware is optimised to use direct x12 and has been patched up to deliver with the current software. DX 12 is a new approach to how graphics are processed so it's hard to judge where the xbox one sits in terms of real capabilites.
I'm sure that's where all this talk of a balanced system comes from. Phil himself has said that they were well aware of direct x12 when they designed the xbox one and the xbox one offers full support for dx12.

I'm excited.....

This probably comes as close to an answer pre directx12 as you will get.

www.eurogamer.net/.../digitalfoundry-the-complete-xbox-one-interview

 

The CU units are different then the standard (more l1 and l2 cache, different SIMD set up for example) they load tested the system and having more CU was kinda pointless without bumping other areas. Bit like the PS4 has to run 14/4 with its CU as running
more than 14 is counter productive.

If you check the DX12 stuff you will see the APU is basically 3 sections CPU, GPU and Copy totally different then anything before. Check out beyond3D they talk about it in more detail.

 

^yes they are very different. Fully Customized by MS and AMD

 

@Lofty.

I'm with you. I can turn it on and put a game in to play.

I always thought it was Unicorns and Pixies that made it all work.

So the problem is that MS employ 14 Pixies to carry out work, but only 12 actually do anything. The other 2 just shove their hands in their pockets and kick fairy dust about.

 

I know that it isn't unicorns and pixie dust that makes it all work... that's just silly! It's magic blue, or white, smoke! It's contained in all electronic hardware. Any electronic device must contain this smoke. If it doesn't, the device will not work.
Don't believe me? Try it... go ahead... let the magic smoke out of any electronic device you own and see if it works right, if at all, after you do! o-0