Xbox Live Enforcement should removed/improved

Ive been usimg freedom of speech and not reading off a script since being born, and getting xbox in 2010. Im surely overdue for a ban. Since freedom of speech doesnt apply, we ought to be reading off scripts approved by xbox. Make sure you guys are reading
off scripts....

 

It's gone quiet here, no come backs. Everyone must be waiting for their scripts from MS.................................

 

As others have said, freedom of speech does not mean that you can say what you want, when and where you want. If it did then things like slander and libel laws would not exist.

It also protects you on public property. You could stand on the pavement outside an Apple store for example saying how much of a rip off their products are and providing you aren't being a nuisance, there would be nothing they could do about it. Step into
the store and things change.

That's the same with Xbox Live. You can say what you want in the comfort of your own home. Say it over Xbox Live though and Microsoft do not have to allow it, Live is their private property.

 

So question. Since we have no freedom of speech on xbl, we must read off scripts from microsoft? cause i doubt ANYONE does that except the support staff when you contact support but thats for professionalism. Microsoft should ban everyone since everyone
doesnt read off scripts and exercise at least some degree of free speech.

What im getting at is

A. It is unnatural. No one reads off a script except support. so thats free speech right there.

B. Microsoft tolerates free speech as long as its not bullying or bad words or which intentionally strongly hurts or harms microsoft.

C. If microsoft didnt tolerate free speech, everyone would have to read off scripts approved by microsoft when chatting in parties game chat and public lobbies. If ms didnt tolerate this sort of freedom of speech, 32 million people or so on xbl would get
banned.

D. MS tolerates freedom of speech, up to a certain extent. They ONLY not tolerate it if it breaks the code of conduct. I do not see in the code of conduct that you have no freedom of speech (even in the terms where it says applicable law your countries laws
govern interpretation of contract). they acknowledge our legal rights.

CONCLUSION. Yes you have rights. you can chat without a script. as long as you xont break the coc you should be fine. ms has a code of ethics. they dont cruelly banninv anyone. its when someone geniunely has breaken the reasonable coc stuff.

 

I'm struggling to find a way to explain this because you seem to want to deliberately misunderstand.

The only freedom of speech you have on Xbox Live is what Microsoft decides to grant you and they are more restrictive than most western governments. For example someone spewing the hatred that the Westboro Baptist Church are allowed to do in public areas of
the United States, over Microsoft's Xbox Live service...well let's just say that account would not be active for very long.

It's an extreme example to be sure but a very fitting one. The Westboro Baptist Church can protest on public land because they have to right to do so protected under freedom of speech, they don't have the right to say the same vile words on private property.
Xbox Live is private property.

So of course you don't have to follow a script but you also don't get to say what you like.

 

^This is a pretty good explanation. FCOL, what does having freedom of speech or any of its 'restrictions' have to do with needing to read from a script!? That's one of the most misinformed implications I've heard. Freedom of speech is not that cut and dried
and anyone who has done a little research can tell you that. This whole "script" idea is probably the reason ZLC believes it's a deliberate attempt to misunderstand and I can see why.

Another example (although perhaps not as good as Zen's but the concept may get through more clearly...):

MS owns XBL, in much the same way as I own my home. I have every right to allow or reject any visitor in my home for any reason. If I invite a newly met 'friend' into my home and this person would start making 'hate speech' statements against another race,
that's not cool with me... and I have (and would exercise) every right to tell that person I don't allow that kind of talk in my home. Furthermore, I have every right to tell that person that s/he is no longer welcome in my home and have him or her forcibly
removed if s/he refused to leave.

MS wants anyone and everyone who wants to use XBL to have a fun and enjoyable experience, no matter what their race, religion, etc. They have every right to create and enforce their own set of policies that serve as a means to that end, as long as they follow
any applicable laws. It's their terms of use, the user has to agree and accept it before using the service and MS can enforce it however they see fit. In short, they own it... it's their house.

Does that mean that everyone using XBL has to have a script? lol... NO... and the very idea is a monster sized leap of logic. Reading from a script is basically implying that you must say exactly what you are instructed, exactly how it is written and without
any deviation. It dictates how you say anything... everything... and details what you can say about even the subjects that you are permitted to talk about. The very idea of everyone on XBL having to read a script is so far from practical that it's just plain
impossible to the point of sounding silly.

Basically, a scripted conversation indicates - No matter what the subject, this is what you will say. You will say only this, nothing more, nothing less. That is nothing like how it works on XBL. There is a huge difference between that and XBL's terms of
use, which basically tells you what kinds of things you may not say... and they have every right to do so.

 

So basically YOU ARE ALLOWED FREEDOM OF SPEECH as long as it follows the code of conduct.

You CAN say what you like as long as it follows the code of conduct.

You can say what you like and freedom of speech, as long as it follows the code of conduct.

If we couldnt do any othat, then its just as bad as reading of a script.

People are implying we have no freedom of speech. Thats incorrect to a degree..... since we dont need scripts.

People can exercise freedom of speech while still obeying the coc. People can exercise a degree of freedom of speech since we dont need to read off a script. Some people can have freedom of speech as they can control and refrain or dont say bad words which
arent allowed in coc. This is the kind of freedom of speech that IS allowed. Its not reading off a script so that is classed as exercising your right to speech. Yet at the same time your arent swearing and other stuff in the coc that is not allowed. I have
been exercising that for at least 6 years this kind of freedom of speech. And believe it or not, this does not qualify for a ban.

Peoples PERCEPTION of ms and freedom of speech. Ms has their own code of ethics which prevents them from unjustly penalising others.

I rest my case XD. Just pointing out freedom of speech applies..... as long as it follows the coc. if freedom of speech didnt apply, youd have to read off a script since you cant say what you want to say. People can say words without any bad stuff. Its just
easier for some than others. No where in their tos or coc does it say you have no freedom of speech.

 

I genuinely don't understand why you have this obsession that freedom of speech laws not applying to Xbox Live means you would have to follow a script, your thought process seems somewhat flawed to me.

If you can only say what you want as long as you follow the code of conduct, then that really isn't freedom of speech is it? Since your not free to say what you want as you have to follow Microsoft's rules.

 

"Freedom of speech

noun

the power or right to express one's opinions without censorship, restraint, or legal penalty."

My dad's a lawyer and thought I'd straighten out a few things.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to the private sector, when you take it from the definition above. Of course they can create their own rules.

"If you can only say what you want as long as you follow the code of conduct, then that really isn't freedom of speech is it? Since your not free to say what you want as you have to follow Microsoft's rules."

There's a sense of some freedom of speech though. Since you don't have to read off a script, you have at least some freedom of what to say, as long as it's in line with the code of conduct. And I think that's what he's talking about. This type of speech
is allowed. If this speech wasn't fine, then:

"Does that mean that everyone using XBL has to have a script? lol... NO... and the very idea is a monster sized leap of logic. Reading from a script is basically implying that you must say exactly what you are instructed, exactly how it is written and
without any deviation. It dictates how you say anything... everything... and details what you can say about even the subjects that you are permitted to talk about. The very idea of everyone on XBL having to read a script is so far from practical that it's
just plain impossible to the point of sounding silly."

You can still exercise your right to say what you want while remaining within the code of conduct. It's not like everyone is gonna swear in every sentence. Freedom of speech does not apply, BUT you can speak without reading off a script (you've got to be
blind not to see some freedom expressed there) as long as you refrain from doing against the code of conduct.