Xbox Elite Wireless Controller

TheJayhawkFrank; Good statements, I do fully understand all your points and the underline immoral and unjust reasons for Microsoft's pathetic behavior when it comes to this issue and the more pervasive issue of allowing outright cheating on their system.
The lack of any real effort on Microsoft's part to put an end to cheating is purely for the reasons you state above. However, this does not excuse those who believe in fair play for all, so all can get what they have paid for to just sit back and take it.
You fight for what you believe in no matter what the odds, especially when you are in the right. An example is Microsoft's pathetic reporting system that eliminates most human interaction when it comes to identifying those who abuse and cheat. Who ends
up with the bad rep? Take a look at my rep right now, it's in the "avoid me" range. Why? Because I report those who cheat always and I message them letting them know I am aware of what they are doing and am reporting them for it. No swearing nor abuse,
just making them aware. What happens? I get the bad rep. Why? Because they get all their friends to report me for whatever they choose and since it's community based my rep goes south. With this system Microsoft can claim they are trying to rectify the
abuse and cheating but in reality it is only a guise so they don't really have to deal with it. I love Titanfall, but it is infested with cheaters, reporting people almost every game, so I end up in a vicious cycle when it come to my rep. When I have the
avoid me rep, I don't get to play Titanfall, so what do I do? I head over to another game that is infested with cheaters but doesn't even care if you have the avoid me rep, battlefield. I don't let players know I'm reporting them there until my rep is restored
then I head back over to Titanfall and the process begins again. I actually had Microsoft ask me to stop letting them know I am reporting them so my rep isn't affected. Why would I do that unless Microsoft actually begins to care about this issue and sets
up a system that will rid Xbox live of cheaters. Until that happens I will continue to fight for what's right and enjoy my vicious cycle. Speaking of battlefield, just to point out how easy it is to hack the game. Was playing hardline a couple days ago,
hotwire to be specific. In game there were a couple players riding around the map on a sofa, kind of entertaining but really shows how easy it is to cheat.

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White Elite Controller revisions????

Hey IXL!

The White Xbox One Wireless Elite Controller will be tested rigorously and will be Available 10/16/2018.

Check out the details here: Xbox Elite Wireless Controller – White Special Edition.

For Elite Controller service options, I would recommend looking over this
article or going over to
Xbox Customer Support to see what options are available for your current elite controller.

Hope it helps!

 

Elite controller updates

Hi,

The Elite controller is compatible with the Xbox One play & charge kit and also with rechageable batteries as you can see here (see specifications):

• Xbox Elite wireless controller
  

 

First things first: yes it is a $150 controller. Now that we have that point made obvious on top of your "not everybody can afford it" and I think we have an idea of how few people are going to actually be using this controller. I will be using this controller
myself, however I rarely play multiplayer games since I'm terrible. I'm more looking forward to the ability to adjust the trigger sensitivity in my racing games like Forza and Project Cars since I feel slightly uncomfortable holding down the right trigger
with the present controller. I am a PC gamer, I have over 1.2k games on Steam, my username is identical to my Xbox Live gamertag if you care to verify this. On my pc I don't feel so bad using "unfair"techniques like dpi switching or my 18 macro keys since
these have been available to PC gamers for more than a decade now. I get your point about the Elite Controller in the Xbox Live environment, but let's face it, you probably won't encounter too many people playing with it.

 

First I would like to thank whoever from Microsoft took a look at my last post and reset my rep from red to green That's never happened before, and I know someone did it because I have not played in the last few days and it should have gone to yellow
first. So thank you for understanding my points and I can only hope this is a good sign that better things are ahead.

AlphaPink; It's really great when response are well thought out and posted in a respectful manner like yours and JayHawk's above. And I do agree with all you mention, in fact if I did play PC games I would take advantage of all that is out there to gain
an advantage as well, simply to try and level the playing filed myself since there is no real governing body. It's expected in PC gaming. Consoles are a different matter as you seem to realize as well, they do have governing bodies. The issue of cheating
and ruining game play for others should be at the top of the list for companies like Microsoft and Sony.

 

Side note to Microsoft: Whomever is listening out there, I would love to be hired by Microsoft and head up a real effort to address these issues, I have a few solid ideas that would put an end to this is implemented. I truly feel the end result would be
attracting more players to Xbox than you would lose.

 

How is this controller any different from other high end gaming accessories used with Xbox One? Just like a gaming monitor or high end headset the controller provides an advantage to those able to afford the luxury. It isn't as if the Xbox One Elite Controller
is offering jitter mods or anything like that. I think you are overstating the impact this controller will have, sure it provides a slight advantage, but it isn't going to turn someone from bad to good in a particular game.

 

FUF LP: You said it yourself "the controller provides an advantage to those able to afford the luxury." Microsoft is the overseer of xbox live and should not be involved in anyway, shape or form of giving advantage no matter how slight or massive. They
should be only doing there utmost to keep the playing field level for all, it is an issue of principle; Microsoft is creating a conflict of interest since they are the service provider of xbox live.

We have a disagreement of how much advantage this controller provides; monitors and headsets are not even comparable. Unless you are playing on an old school 21" 4x6 monitors provide 0 advantage. You can argue headsets but the reality of it is, by the
time you hear someone coming up behind you 99.9% of the time its too late anyway, you just get to hear whos going to end you.

As far as the controller is concerned, you will find out it is a far more significant advantage than you are giving it credit for. I've played with a scuff, a friend has one, this looks and specs suggest it is far better than a scuff. No, it will not make
a bad player good, but more realistically; it will make a bad player ok, an ok player good, a good player very good and a very good player great. This I think is much more in line with what it will do, from my experience with a scuff.

All this aside, it just comes down to principle and Microsoft's underline responsibility as the service provider to do all they can to keep their playing fields level, thus providing fun for all. By manufacturing and selling this controller at the current
price point, they are in truth breaking their own service contract with all xbox live gold members. Microsoft is inviting a class action law suit, by providing this controller they are again in reality stealing from their paid membership. We pay to play
online for fun and enjoyment, this is what they will be stealing from so many. I wouldn't doubt some attorney latches on to this at some point. Their only ways out of this, is to not manufacture or make it the standard controller by lowering the price point
to that current amount.

 

Back in MW3 Scuf was just getting big and only a few people in my CoD clan owned their controllers. In recent years over half the people in my clan have purchased them, despite this it hasn't allowed any of those people to surpass me in skill level, nor
has it made more than a minor improvement in their skill level. Even if it does provide a massive advantage as you say, although I obviously disagree, anyone can go buy a first party controller and get the same advantage.

You underestimate the impact a monitor or headset can have. There is a noticeable difference between playing on a 24 inch gaming monitor with a 1ms response time than a 55 inch TV with a 16ms response time, the player that sees the other first is going to
have the advantage. In games like Ghosts that had loud footsteps the edge my headset provided was massive, I could pre-aim enemies 5-10 seconds before they could see me, which I would not have been able to do playing with TV sound.

Microsoft has already announced the product, they won't be backpedaling any time soon. To say Microsoft is inviting a class action lawsuit for designing a new controller for the console they designed is absurd. Companies can price their products however
they like, if a customer can't afford their new product that isn't Microsoft's fault.

 

I'm guessing OP your outraged about the new xbox one elite bundle.

If you don't like the way things are "going" OP you should sell up your console, cancel your membership and go play games elsewhere.

 

FUF LP: In no way did I say this controller will provide a massive advantage; re-read paragraph 3, I think that is a very fair estimation. I disagree fully with the headsets except as you say when compared to someone playing with TV sound. I think you
would find if a poll was taken their are very few people playing with TV sound, especially since surround sound and headset are so inexpensive these days. You make a good point with the monitor I overlooked, will have to research that more.

Auswulf & FUF LP: Unfortunately you both are missing the real point here, re-read my last post but just paragraphs 1 and 4, see if you can catch on to it. You see, Microsoft is not a third party, Microsoft is the primary party building both the console
and operating xbox live. This puts them in a very different position than a third party company. If you read their xbox live terms of service (which I doubt either of you have) it is very obvious they are violating it this controller.

FUF LP, if you knew anything about law, you would have a different view. And yes, if some money hungry attorney with the time comes across this, he or she would jump all over this. Why? Because it involves a very large company in clear violation of their
own terms of service, with millions of members affected. As far as statement is concerned, that's neither here nor there, it just simply doesn't apply. It is the controller to xbox live, price point only comes into play as a possible solution to the conflict
of interest they have created.

Auswulf: Please make intelligent comments here, no one is outraged, this is an adult conversation.

 

FUF LP: Research done, best explanation here... www.displaylag.com/exposed-input-lag-vs-response-time

While I have to concede monitors do make a difference and can be significant, it is input lag not response time that is the real differentiation. While input lag does need a fast response time, if your input lag is significant it does not matter how fast
your response time is. Read the link, it is very eye opening and provides a link at the bottom for display database since manufacturers don't provide this information.

That being said, this in no way lets Microsoft off the hook. Just a very interesting side discussion.

 

Specifically what clause in the Microsoft Services Agreement or Xbox Live Code of Conduct do you believe is being violated by Microsoft manufacturing new hardware for their console?

The Xbox Live Code of Conduct lists cheating and tampering as using unauthorized hardware or software, exploiting game vulnerabilities and glitches, making unauthorized modifications to an account or profile, or intentionally playing with someone using unauthorized
software or methods. Nowhere does the Code of Conduct or Microsoft Services Agreement state they can't manufacture first party products for their console that may provide an advantage, nor do they promise a perfectly level playing field on Xbox.

 

FUF LP: First off this has nothing to do with "Microsoft manufacturing new hardware for their console" as you allude to in your first paragraph. It does have to do with them manufacturing hardware that gives unfair advantage in the xbox live arena, which
they provide and oversee. If they made this the standard controller, there would be no issue. Quick look at the hypocrisy here; xbox live bans those who use moded controllers when found out, the Elite controller is a moded controller just differently but
still moded for advantage, that's what moded controllers do, give advantage. So are they going to ban those who use it? Of course not.

That being said, I should have included the xbox live code of conduct as well as the service agreement. They are violating both with this issue. Why don't you read through them with the intention of seeing if you can find how they are violating the agreement
and code of conduct by providing this controller, creating a conflict of interest and where those documents imply Microsoft has a responsibility in doing their best to provide a level playing field for all. I think if you took a look at those docs with this
mindset, you could figure it out. You already located one in your second paragraph explanation above; can you identify that one? You will learn more if you take the time and do this yourself rather than relying on me to just list and explain everything to
you, you will also further develop your reasoning abilities in order to come to correct conclusions. Last point; do not expect a " perfectly level playing field on Xbox live" it's not attainable. This does not excuse Microsoft from their responsibility to
do their best in providing a level playing field for all, nor does it provide an excuse to do the exact opposite. Microsoft is loaded with intelligent individuals, they know very well they are in violation here, they're just gambling no one is going to care
enough to do something about it because they have money blinders on. Corporations take gambles like this all the time and usually get away with it, but once in awhile it costs them millions and millions in settlements.

 

The reason I asked you to name the specific clause(s) is because I read the Microsoft Service Agreement and Xbox Live Code of Conduct and found nothing that would indicate Microsoft was breaking any law by manufacturing a redesigned controller. I wanted
you to list the exact clauses to see what we were interpreting differently, not because I didn't read it. Third party companies like Mad Catz have made officially licensed Xbox controllers with features identical to the Elite for several years now, why is
this suddenly a big issue just because Microsoft decided to create a similar device? The Elite isn't a modded controller it's a new product that offers features comparable to many modded controllers, the two shouldn't be confused.