Unwarranted "Avoid Me" Reputation

ngocphi · Jun 30, 2016

Rep is how the community and other players see you not how you see yourself

Did you understand now?

If a lot of people are reporting you as avoid me because of bad behaviour

Then they aren't wrong

They just don't want to play qith you

ngocphi · Jun 30, 2016

You need to change that by playing better and behaving more sportmans like

ngocphi · Jun 30, 2016

That's like saying the clan or Guild is wrong because they kicked me out and I'm a good clan person

See what I mean?

You are ignoring what the rep is

If the clan or alliance boots you that's their opinion or your rep with them

They freely can choose to play with you or not

ngocphi · Jun 30, 2016

They report that they don't want to play with you for this and that etc reason

However it doesn't affect your rep as the enforcers check everyone of the reps

However they will be still set to avoid you as that is their option

However if the enforcers find that you are warranted they will start adding the points to your rep

dkore · Jun 30, 2016

I am friends with many of the Top 100 players on Overwatch, and a dozen or so, including myself, are all in Avoid Me rep. The mass amount of blocks and reports (ranging from cheating, to unsportmanlike, and even gamertag) from players who didn't want to
get matched up against us has made it so we are now in matchmaking purgatory.. Sorry ngocphi, but this is not because all of us are toxic players. You can't even talk to the other team in Overwatch, and nobody I know wastes their time sending messages. And
really, reports for gamertag? Also, Microsoft has stated that merely people blocking you can effect reputation.

This same issue existed on the PC version of Overwatch. Blizzard has to scrap their Avoid Player feature, because people were abusing it just to avoid good players. Many of us know the story about the #1 sniper on PC not able to matchmake because people
were avoiding him. Well, on Xbox, the #1 & 2 snipers on Xbox are now in Avoid Me. Sound familiar? Also the #2 player overall is also in avoid me. I was like Top 10 for gold medals. I can give you numerous examples of legitimately good players ending up in
Avoid Me since Overwatch was releases, after having a perfect record for years. Bungie actually ended up opting out of the reputation system for a previous Halo game because people were getting unjustly blocked/reported so often, that a mass amount of players
were unable to play. And now the problem exists on Halo 5, and there was a big reddit thread on it a couple days ago. UFC and Gears also faced the same issue in the recent past.

I really hope the Enforcement team addressed this. I've been playing a variety of other games all week, to no avail. And the Enforcement page hasn't updated all week, and still says I'm a Good Player.

Tehh Hamster · Jun 30, 2016

I understand how and why the rep system functions. A working guide on understanding it is NOT in any way a "correct answer" to the issue that I'm bringing to the forefront. Nobody is ignoring the advice you're giving; rather, you're completely missing the
point: there are instances where the rep system is doing nothing but punishing players who do too well in a game.

I do well in Battleborn and receive reports of CHEATING (again, you are completely ignoring this part, but I'll mention it as many times as it takes for you to understand that). None of these reports have any grain of truth, but because there is no case-by-case
investigation, one's reputation still goes down. Not because of poor sportsmanship (unless you consider performing too well as unsportsmanlike), but because people really must believe I am cheating when there's no proof of this.

Because several members of the community see me as a cheater, that must mean that I cheat? That's the most ridiculous argument you've brought up yet. I don't care whether my opinion of myself influences my reputation, but what I do care about is that these
FALSE reports of cheating have impacted my reputation. This is an unacceptable state of things because I don't cheat, but because people say I do, I can't play much anymore.

You can't tell me to be a better sport because sportsmanship isn't why I've been tanked into "Avoid Me." It's the reports of CHEATING that have done it, and because of these FALSE reports ot CHEATING. Tell me how that's my fault?

It's becoming painfully clear that you aren't understanding that this issue isn't an isolated event, or .01% of the community even. It's a real issue that needs to be addressed. People are being falsely accused of cheating or unsportsmanlike behavior and
because nobody is investigating, people are left to suffer unwarranted matchmaking bans.

Again, I'll reiterate so you understand what's happening here: my reputation has gone down because of false reports of cheating - because the reports are in response to my performing well (not unsportsmanlike behavior; I don't chat to those I beat), I see
no reason that the reports should go uninvestigated and left to tank my reputation.

Again, I understand how rep works and why it is in place, but I don't understand how nobody is investigating these reports and determining that the reputation downgrading is unwarranted. You are missing 90% of the points I'm making.

OnlyThanatos · Oct 31, 2018

ngocphi i respect your opinnion but can i be disagree with you in 1 point?

you said this literally... "If a lot of people are reporting you as avoid me because of bad behaviour. Then they aren't wrong. They just don't want to play qith you"

Well thats not true cause ppl are not "reporting as AVOID ME" ppl are reporting "good players" (in some cases) as "CHEATERS" and many times that REPORTS ARE FALSE, not all ppl reported as CHEATER are CHEATERS, lots of players uses the CHEATER REPORT to REPORT
PPL and ruin his REPUTATION, if ppl dont like to play with someone they must have the option to BLOCK they, not REPORT AS CHEATERS or OTHER UNFOUNDED REASON!

Thats my opinnion, in that point the system is BAD DESIGNED and give power to the BAD INTENTIONAL "PLAYERS".

Sorry for the CAPS but i wanted to gave emphasis to some points, i am not screaming

Internet Expert

The only way to improve your rep back into green is to keep playing multiplayer matches without getting reported.

There are no exceptions to this, as far as I've ever seen.

ngocphi

You said it yiurself

They are reporting me because I'm winning

That's arrogance and very unsportmanlike

Tehh Hamster

You realize that blatantly ignoring everything I just mentioned is also a bad look for Xbox, as well as poor communication and customer service as well, right? I'm raising awareness about this issue, as it is directy impacting mine and several other gamers'
experience with XBL, and giving us the exact same runaround isn't productive on either end.

I've also noticed threads being locked without actually directly addressing the situation-specific issues posed in them. Again, as a service to you and your team members, the community views this sort of behavior to be in very poor taste, and does nothing
but irk the consumer (see: most of us do at least SOME research before creating threads.) Now, I'll ask again: can we expect a legitimate response from Xbox regarding the rampant false reports that lower reputations into levels where we cannot even enjoy the
games and subscription we pay for? As you can tell, there are some very unsatisfied customers at your doors - simply sweeping these issues under the rug is the worst thing the Xbox team can do, so for our sake, the consumers, give us what we ask for: address,
assess, and evaluate solutions for this issue, don't idle and leave your customers unsatisfied.

Tehh Hamster

Again, this isn't an issue that should be reduced to "because the community thinks you're a bad sport, it must be you, so tough luck."

I don't disagree with you when you say bragging/acting as if everybody is sad at losing reeks of bad sportsmanship; while this is true, that's simply NOT what's occurring in my case. As I've mentioned, I'm in a party with friends 100% of the time, and Xbox
can even review my messages to see that I don't parade around as the bad sport you have already labelled me as (even though I've outlined this information already). You aren't in a position to do so, regardless, if you aren't willing to dive deeper into this
case.

Whether or not you think so, the system isn't perfect; if it were, we wouldn't have an issue to begin with (see again: May->June possesses a big influx of reports - do you really believe that in one month, I turned into a horrible member of the community).

If this forums cannot do anything but pin the blame exclusively on its consumers without even reviewing the facts of each scenario case-by-case, then what are WE (the other members also in the same position, who I'm sure aren't nearly the bad sport you would
have them labelled as) to do? It's clear that the enforcement team isn't reviewing these cases, because after 23 reports of cheating, you'd think some action would be taken. And if that action is to simply lower my reputation until I can't play because it's
easier, then what exactly is the benefit of even having an enforcement team?

To stay on topic, the community needs a way to combat this issue - in many cases, it exists as a result of performing too well (this has been happening more prevalently in Overwatch, where skilled players are being blocked/reported so one doesn't match them
again). We know that being a bad sport is bad, focus on the issue at hand: there are cases of false/excessive reporting caused by a player's competence in a game that lead to that very player serving an unwarranted matchmaking ban. Again, sweeping this under
the rug is simply not productive on either end.

Tehh Hamster

I understand how reputation works; Xbox can see for itself that a massive influx of reports beginning in May->June are the reason my reputation has dropped. I also understand that it is supposed to be resilient to multiple baseless reports, but the issue
is that I am being reported over the span of several days/weeks for performing disproportionately well in Battleborn, which draws several reports/blocks, all of which have led to my reputation taking a tremendous spike into the red from May->June (my detailed
reputation report affirms this).

While I know you or any of the moderators are not directly capable of "fixing" reputation, I have noticed that this is not an isolated incident and that throughout all of the threads detailing similar scenarios, no clear justification has been provided as
to why the reputation system allows for this to happen in the first place. 23 reports of cheating from May->June. Shouldn't SOMEBODY have investigated by now and found the reports to be baseless and as such, irrelevant when taking my reputation into consideration?

This is not an issue about simply being a better member of the XBL community; labelling it as such is too reductive and vague, especially given my nearly spotless record in the years prior. I should not have to play games I don't want to because of a system
that is not fully functioning as intended (like any feature, it has aspects which leave much to be desired, the reputation system being no exception). This is simply a tremendously bad look for the Xbox team, because these incidents are not even recognized
as being legitimate concerns for those capable of fixing it.

Rather than provide a generic response, I would like my concerns to be specifically addressed.

Unwarranted "Avoid Me" Reputation