True dedicated Gaming Xbox One VS. All in One Xbox One

But Xb1 isnt doing to bad, at the end of the day it is about 6 times more powerful than the Xbox 360, with alot of effeincet design. XB1 does have longevity. There is alot of potential Xb1 has.

The xbox one is a worthy succsesor to the 360. and that all that really matters.

 

But ya rippen as i said, the reason Xb1's chip is more expesive is because of embeded sram (thats quite pricey infact as sram and the embedding prosses are pretty exepnisive, way more so than putting in more gpu infact)

and the fact xb1 has more silcon (as the apu is a tad bit bigger)

That is why the Xbox one Cpu gpu combo costs a tad more. (not by much) it wasnt very cost effective but it was a good bandwidth patch job.

anyhow night night. im honesty surprised im not banned lol

oh and pS rippen dont say there is hidden parts inside the Xb1 Chip, the Xrays showed things clear as day, if there was any stacking (LOL) it would have shown up in the xray (as anomlies) and chipworks would have splashed the APU with acid to examine it
further. That wasnt the case tho.

 

wow your tech knowledge is lifted straight from the utter rubbish that has been written on Sonygaf, I was slightly amused at some of the things you have written but your grasp of hardware seems none existent. I stopped reading after you said Mantel.

www.anandtech.com/.../understanding-amds-mantle-a-lowlevel-graphics-api-for-gcn

"we believe Mantle is the Xbox One’s low level API brought to the PC"

You forget the xbox cpu can handle 6 operations per cycle compared to 2 on the ps4, and the xbox is running at a faster clock speed.

You also seem to not realise that Sony said they have to use CU to make up the shortfall in audio processing and more CU for the CPU shortfall.

Plug the sony eye in and oh wait more CU's (microsoft have there own kinect hardware to do this so dont need to offload)

Nobody knows the full details of the APU's only that Microsoft is fully customised and Sony went for in production parts.

We will have to wait and see what happens.

 

I could care less if the games are 1080p at 60fps. As long as they look good, 720P up, and are fun to play. I also like Kinect, use it all the time!

 

funny how Bee technical speak has almost perfect grammar but when he types in a chat mode.. he is way off... sorry.. I just find that amusing...

 

this isnt meant to be a graphics flame war thread...either your for an all in one machine or for a dedicated gaming machine...that was the only real question I would like answered...so far it seems most are for the all in one entertainment machine. I can
respect that if you can respect not all of us are for that and have a right to our opinion without being scrutinized why.

 

Since 1995,console manufacturers starts to include multimedia/entertaiment features....

I'm fine with it,more of everything,that all i want....

 

As soon as the UK gets the TV integration I'll be even happier, not sure I would even like a pure gaming machine. It would mean having another box or two under the tv cabinet, I already sold my old blu ray player, and as soon as sky player is available for
Xbox one I can move the 360 upstairs

 

Unfortuantly f00xam your article is old sept btw.

Before the launch of both consoles the "we believe" part is totally invalided and we know now mantle has only been launched for the r7 and r9 seris

Now my links

1st ill prove the ps4 gpu is in line with the r9 r7 seris.

Graphics processing unit[edit]

The graphics processing unit (GPU) is AMD's GPGPU-capable Radeon GCN architecture, consisting of 18 compute units (CUs) for a total of 1,152 cores (64 cores per CU), that produces a theoretical peak performance of 1.84 TFLOPS.[9] This processing power can
be used for graphics, physics simulation, or a combination of the two, or any other tasks suited for general purpose compute. It is a customized version of AMD's 7870 GPU, with 2 CUs disabled.[10]

Though based on AMD's GCN architecture, there are several known
differentiating factors between the PS4's GPU and current-gen PC graphics cards featuring first-gen GCN architecture:

An additional dedicated 20 GB/s bus that bypasses L1 and L2 GPU cache for direct system memory access, reducing synchronisation challenges when performing fine-grain GPGPU compute tasks.

L2 cache support for simultaneous graphical and asynchronous compute tasks through the addition of a 'volatile' bit tag, providing control over cache invalidation, reducing the impact of simultaneous graphical and general purpose compute operations.

An upgrade from 2 to 64 sources for compute commands, improving compute parallelism and execution priority control. This enables finer-grain control over load-balancing of compute commands including superior game-engine integration.[11]

PlayStation 4 technical specifications - Wikipedia

now we look at xbox one's

The
graphics processing unit (GPU) is based on an AMD
GCN architecture with 12 compute units, which have a total of 768 cores,[34] running at 853 MHz
providing an estimated peak theoretical power of 1.31 TFLOPS

That's it

Xbox One - Wikipedia

Mantle has launched but currently supports and only has benches for the r9 and r7 seris

http://www.reviewstudio.net/1330-am...yst-drivers-battlefield-4-adds-mantle-support

and here is proof sony co deved the newer GCN arc with AMD

Playstation 4 GPU & Next Gen AMD Radeon Volcanic Island GPU Compute Similarities

"Thirdly, said Cerny, “The original AMD GCN architecture allowed for one source of graphics commands, and two sources of compute commands. For PS4, we’ve worked with AMD to increase the limit to 64 sources of compute commands — the idea is if you have some
asynchronous compute you want to perform, you put commands in one of these 64 queues, and then there are multiple levels of arbitration in the hardware to determine what runs, how it runs, and when it runs, alongside the graphics that’s in the system.”

and AMD said this



“I worked on modifications to the core graphics blocks. So there were features implemented because of console customers. Some will live on in PC products, some won’t. At least one change was very invasive, some moderately so. That’s all I can say.

Since Cerny mentioned it I’ll comment on the volatile flag. I didn’t know about it until he mentioned it, but
looked it up and it really is new and driven by Sony. The
extended ACE’s are one of the custom features I’m referring to. Also, just because something exists in the GCN doc that was public for a bit doesn’t mean it wasn’t influenced by the console customers. That’s one positive about working with consoles. Their
engineers have specific requirements and really bang on the hardware and suggest new things that result in big or small improvements.”

yup sony saved a lot in R&D





it is bleived mantle on the 7000 seris may offerd dimished returns, it has yet to be seen, all benchmarks have been done using r7 R9 cards that have sony and amd's 2013 gpgpu setup

 

im having a laugh at the outdated artcle you posted ("we believe") LOL f00x it is wrong on many many levels. but ive done more than prove my point.

xbox one had a very, very unforntunate timing.

 

the rest of the stuff you posted makes me laugh. nothing but red harrings and miss info

Sony went for "in production parts" because as soon as AMD saw what they were doing they were so impressed they started to co dev.

Xbox one was locked out from seeing what was going on till it was too late, the minor upclocks to the cpu and gpu wont hold a candle to the sony and amd co deved tech in ps4, PS4 has its own audio block btw, Its called true audio DSP, its in the r9 seris
as well as the 8 ACE cores,

Xbox one only has 2 ACE CORES on the older much much slower gcn model. GPGPU is the reason we are seeing such huge performance diffrences in mgs5GZ and sony has a lot to do with their SDK yet, its going to be glorius having CPU + GPU + GPGPU <---- and the
gpgpu wont be effecting general GPU performance like the older GCN arc does (that's in xbox one)

 

but don't get me wrong, it is likely mantle will be supported well on the first gen GCN tech, it will undoubalby be more limited tho, Mantle on the r9 and r7 will be far far more intrusting as the API matures. The change between the 7000 8000 seris vs the
R7 and R9 is a HUUUUUGE gap. GPGPU will play a part in xbox ones sdk, its needed for the lowend cpus, but sony's is a generation ahead and a HUGE MASSIVE step forward.

At the end of the day its 2 ACE cores that can do simple stuff without effecting GPU perfomance, VS 8 ACE cores with dedicated memeory piplines and custom ques to allow it to do very complex things not effect genral gpu performance.

Essentally both consoles custom API's will be MANTLE based, AMD, SONY and to a smaller extent MS will push GPGPU in the consoles SDK's

Im out ill be back tommrow or something.

 

I love my Xbox One (see my signature)

 

[quote user="U Go 6 FT BeLOW"]I dont see a polling option, but would like to know how many out there wouldnt mind them keeping these types of devices separate?[/quote]No, people do not want to keep them separate. If they did, they'd buy Rokus to augment
their 360s. Apparently they don't.

No, they won't get a better price because they're
"in bulk". High end GPUs like the ones on the GTX 780 are NOT the profit center for GPU makers. It's the mainstream and lower end parts that make the money. The high end parts make little profit.

If you consider that "next
gen" then you haven't been paying attention to PC gaming. Next gen on the PC is 4k gaming. Current gen is 2560x1600.

 

Can you really see this new gen lasting 10 years then ? probably more like 5 years. PS3''s are still selling and there still life in the PS3 too.