So exactly what will be the point to having an xbox one if all major exclusives are on pc?..

Scott, yes. Major Nelson already tweeted it. The Internet sucks, people raged over the internet for needing an internet Connection with the original Xbox One but no one is saying anything about the truly dirty behavior from MS
in regards to identical Service and Games from Win10/ X1 but X1 is paying the price for the Service.

 

Will they get the free games with gold or gold discounts ?

If so I am pc gaming .

My wifes pc is an i3 , with 4 gig of ram and some sort of 440 graphics card.

 

I would think that just like GFWL, Xbox Live for Windows will lock certain things away.

The big thing I remember being unavailable on GFWL was Party Chat. You could private chat but that was all.

While Microsoft are trying to court PC gamers, they'd be foolish indeed to not give their paying customers some advantage.

 

To be quite honest and I know a lot probably won't agree but unless the day comes and everyone switches from Xbox to PC gaming full time then I'm quite happy to carry on as I am paying for the service even if other's don't have to.

 

^ but you have to admit it's a little dirty of MS, i'm sure for most of us the total cost of Xbox live is not a significant annual cost, but either everybody should have to pay for it or nobody at all.

I can't see it really taking of though except for what used to be exclusive games, mainly because on day of release i can get a game on average £15 cheaper on steam anyway.

Currently wondering if my Surface RT will be getting any tasty Xbox action, i doubt it though, MS seems to have abandoned Windows RT

 

@ Scott,

Don't get me wrong, I can see why people would be upset and be of the thinking ... "Why should I pay and others don't have to" ... but ..

And I don't mean to sound big headed or ignorant in anyway but I'm happy with the service Xbox LIVE offers and happy to pay what I do, I just think in the overall scheme of things it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over or start a protest over!

I guess I'm just of the thinking, I love gaming, I have fun but at the end of the day it's not as important as other things in life, hope this makes sense.

 

It's different markets though.

Console gamers have shown they are willing to pay to access online play and there is no way Microsoft are just going to say "you know what? Lets give up that massive source of revenue." Instead they've done the right thing by adding value to it with the
Games with Gold program.

When Microsoft tried charging the Gold fee with GFWL, PC gamers resoundingly told them to go away (though not so politely). They swiftly removed the requirement but it was damage the reputation of GFWL would never recover from. Honestly aside from the mess
up with Gears of War (where the certificate expired, meaning you couldn't play until they patched it), I never had a problem with GFWL and they even had some pretty good sales.

PC gamers pay more for their hardware and so expect certain things to be free or cheaper (online play. Games). Console gamers on the other hand pay less for the hardware but are quite happy to pay a premium for online play and games.

So Microsoft locking off certain features, such as party chat, to non-paying PC gamers would seem to be the logical balance. However how that will work with the presence of app such as SKYPE offering much of the same functionality across both platforms remains
to be seen.

 

I agree with lofty , I wouldnt mind paying the sub , even if the pc lot get it for free .

I will carry this over to the next gen of xbox .

For the simple reason , £36 per year , is well worth it , Imo.

If they dont make another xbox console , and I have to buy a pc , I will go to Sony .

I know nobody cares , lol, just sayin.

 

@Lofty, i totally understand and agree with you to some degree. I'm just surprised that MS would make a product, take your money for the privilege to use it, only to turn around to PC gamers and expect nothing for it. On the other hand, as Vaynel said if
you ask PC gamers to pay all you'll get is a *** off!

 

Before.

XBL Gold users paid to have a good online service.

Today.

XBL Gold users pays to give the best of XBL to Windows 10 users for free.

After.

Less XBL Gold users,more Windows 10 users on Steam.

 

XBOX should've done away with Membership Dues long ago, people may not have objected so earnestly to the concept of DRM during the ONE's initial reveal had they offered up this significant concession. I mean, how many people opted for PS3 over the 360 because
of their Free Service? Not to mention that it's yet another reason added to the growing list of reasons why over 100 Million Gamers signed up for Steam
(Up 35,000,000 from 65,000,000 between Sep 2013-Sep 2014, during the new consoles' launch window). You may very well have had a substantial number of PlayStation users crossing over, especially since SONY now has adopted Microsoft's Model anyway.
Personally, it wouldn't have changed my views on the new console (Backwards Compatibility was my Biggest Gripe) but I'd have to think that this could've been a Game Changer for those pondering whether to buy a ONE or not. Anyone who says console
gaming is "cheaper" than the PC isn't looking past the hardware. Console gamers, in the vast majority of cases, spend most of their gaming dollars on Games, Membership Dues & Accessories for their Hardware, something that is indisputably cheaper on the PC,
especially over a 5-10 Year Period...

 

Console gaming really is becoming less and less worth it. What do we get? Shoddy service, hardware that's 10 years behind the times (Who the hell would buy a 5400RPM HDD for a gaming rig nowadays?), servers that don't work on launch day, broken and buggy
games (Halo MCC!), ridiculous update sizes and small HDDs that can't be swapped... The list goes on. You try to install a game on XB1 and it takes 40-60GB of the 400something you started with. Then it downloads a 10+GB update, but if you have to delete the
install to save space you lose the update. That means if you ever reinstall the game, you're waiting possibly hours for the update again. On PC games, running out of HDD space is rarely a problem. In the old days, you could save the *** updates separately
too. Not sure how the newer games work. XBL is constantly ***. There's been a service alert with "Purchase and Content Usage" service on 360 for a over a week now. WTF?

One thing that concerns me about these PC ports from console games though is that the *** things need to actually take advantage of the PC hardware specs, and I don't just mean graphics. If I install Dead Rising 2 on an SSD/RAID, I bet the load screens are
still just as painfully slow as the 360 version was. I don't want 4K gaming. I want the games to load faster and run smooth. That's all I wanted this gen. Instead, we wait for installs and wait forever for title updates that are beyond ridiculous. Dead Rising
3 had what, a 16GB forced update? Excuse me, not everyone has access to a 50MB+ internet connection. It took me nearly a week to preload Master Chief Collection only to have it decide to reinstall instead of unlocking on release night! Then they forced everyone
to download Spartan Ops, which plenty of people have no interest in. From what I heard the next gen versions of WWE 2k15 had the same load issues as all 360 ones did. Waiting everything time you choose something in a menu, and even more waiting when you try
to choose thing sin create-a-wrestler. Screw that. I miss cartridge gaming. Why can't they sell games on flash drives like a new age version of ROM carts? I don't care if they cost $10-20 more. They're welcome to discount the digital versions. People will
still pay for the one they don't have to download. What sucks is we do that now and we still end up download updates that amount to half the *** disc data anyway.

Then you shell out for Gold every year only to be spammed with random friend requests with no way to stop it on 360 unless your list is full. You get teamed with stupid kids that betray you for the good weapons, vehicles, or just for no reason. You can't
communicate with your teammates because half of them are on locked down family accounts that can't hear you or talk to you. I'm 33. Why is it so much to ask to be matched with other adults? especially on an M rated game!

Why are there still games running multiplayer without hosting matches on dedicated servers? There were articles about COD doing it even on XB1. What happened to those 300,00 servers, huh? I'm sorry, but I refuse to play games where some foreigner gets host
and none of my headshots count. Then I get banned on Halo Reach (360) cause I quit for exactly that reason. Yes, ban me for 15 minutes because I refuse to sit in a match where I'm watching players teleport around and I can hardly kill them.

 

I use to quit a couple of times in Halo Reach too and got two temporary bans. Please note these are not XBL bans cuz I'm a good boy. Bungie I think split away from Microsoft. As for shoddy service, I don't believe Xbox Live is shoddy. Microsoft puts a lot
of money into making Xbox Live fun and secure. It's why many peps play on Xbox 360 and Xbox 1. They need some kind of revenue to keep it going, so they charge a Gold membership. Gold membership is fairly priced. In NZ RRP for 12M gold is $79.95. Compare that
to having a Sky TV Basic pack which costs $52 A MONTH!! Or the average monthly internet bill or a months electricity bill.

PC's are prone to viruses which is why it's good to get internet security software which can detect stuff which may go unnoticed by a Microsoft Windows OS, I have AVG. Reports of viruses on genuine Xbox 360 and Xbox 1 consoles are negligible. That's how
secure XBL is. Lizard Squad was unable to hack into personal info of anyones account only do dos attacks. When that happens, Microsoft gets the service back up and running within hours, not days. It costs Microsoft money to maintain it's Xbox Live service
and it's a good service even though it's not perfect. The cost of consoles is cheaper than the cost of a high end gaming PC. Consoles are simple yet fun. There's no need to worry about "minimum recommended system requirements" for games. Games look decent
enough. Kinect for Xbox 1 is great. I don't think you can play Kinect Sports Rivals and use Kinect Features in games like Zoo Tycoon for Xbox, with an Xbox 1 with Kinect. Microsoft has servers around the world but many of us don't live even within 200km of
the nearest Microsoft server many of us don't even know exactly where they are without doing some research. Xbox 360 did force you to download system updates otherwise you would be disconnected, but it's probably for security reasons. Microsoft wants all Xbox
360 consoles to have the latest Dashboard version. On Xbox 1, they don't force you to download a system update immediately, sometimes I have to go into System and there's a Update Console or No Available Update.

Everyone then is different, there are those who prefer console including me, and those who prefer PC gaming.

 

It is worth pointing out smiles that AVG is notorious for false positives, in that it flags things as viruses that aren't. You'd be better of with Avast or even Microsoft's own Security Essentials. In twenty years of having a PC I've never been infected
with a virus.

 

Oh, someone mentioned the automatic updates earlier in the thread. My computer doesn't have to be turned "off" to auto update. The XB1 apparently does. Some of us like to leave things run 24/7. Sad thing is XB1 and PC both essentially run Windows. I don't
even use Windows on my PC unless I have to. Too many game games still depend on that DirectX garbage and won't run on linux though, so a console is more convenient than having to boot my windows box when I want to play something.