RUMOUR..... microsoft will not charge you to watch netflix

Obviously I'll be able to in a few weeks, and the security of my accounts will be no different. If a gold account actually enhances security in ANY way then you should be able to do a simple Google search and see how exactly it enhances things. You can't,
because it doesn't.

 

You can't see the difference between locking down access to xbox service and opening it up to the world, and I don't know how it works?

For the people that are interested and can see the risks, according to live chat support "this is just like having the Silver members permission to use Gold access for Apps such as Netflix.", which is a plausible description without giving anything away.
If anyone wants a copy of the chat conscript I would be happy to email it to anyone wanting it, simply PM me an email address (although that statement is the main part).

 

Silver members connect to the same network, and anyone can easily create a new account and get a free month of gold, so what exactly is it that you think is "locked down". Like I said, if you think gold is somehow more secure then show me anything from even
a somewhat credible source. You can't, because it's not any different or more secure than using most any other device. I have no idea why you think otherwise, but it sounds like someone lied to you.

 

I will try and explain but I doubt it will get through.

Silver didn't give you access to the internet, it gave you access to MS services, which has full control over and can easily manage access on both the provider (eg Xbox silver account), and the 3rd party (Ms marketplace), therefore having a very small security
risk. Thats is what I refered to as "locked down", your controlling everything in the loop.

Nobody outside of MS can access silver accounts except MS services, so there is no to a tiny security risk through a silver account.

However since gold accounts don't have the same "lock down" and are open over the internet they have a bigger security risk.

This is basic IT by the way, no need for anyone to tell me anything and you shouldn't need a source.

Eek if you think all networks/devices/services are the same and security is that simple, but since its still going way over your head I will stop there.

I am happy with MS supports explanation, and your happy to get access with a silver account, so where both happy.

And that ends my participation in this conversation enjoy and have a good day.

 

"Silver didn't give you access to the internet"

I'm sorry, but that statement right there is more than enough to show you really don't know what you're talking about. When you sign into Xbox LIVE, as a silver or gold member, you are connected to the internet. The connection is no different. I really don't
know what you think is going on or how it's different. You are no safer watching Netflix or using any other app on the 360 than you are with the Roku. You're right, this is pretty basic IT, and if you're going to insist that MS is providing some "security
service" that's no existent then you should be able to back up your statements with some type of proof.

I'll never understand why people insist on trying to spread such obvious misinformation like you are. Are you somehow getting compensation from MS, or trying to help justify your decision to pay for absolutely nothing?

 

An extranet is one example, that can send information over the internet, and not give access to the user to the internet. (they can give access if they want, there are advantages and disadvantages to this, security being one of them)

 

Ok... You're absolutely right with your example. Too bad that has nothing to do with... Well, anything. Xbox LIVE is not an extranet network. Where are you even getting these ideas from, seriously?

You also lied.

 

It's proper to say that a silver and/or gold Xbox Live member can connect to the Internet, but only the gold member can gain full access to the world-wide web (through the IE app).

...at least I think that's right. ><

 

Sorry , but I thought your statement

I'll never understand why people insist on trying to spread such obvious misinformation like you are.

Needed a reply, just because a system can use the internet, doesn't mean your user has access to it, (Old) Silver accounts didn't have access to it, they used it. An Extranet is one example of that, silver account might not be an extranet but setup is very
similar everything access within silver belongs to the same company.

 

@Geek - There's really no difference though. When you connect to LIVE, you're connected to the internet. Obviously they have IE blocked off from use for silver members, but silver members are still connected to the internet and the LIVE network in the exact
same way that gold members are. I'm sure there's just a simple if() conditional that then blocks a silver member from using any of the apps, but that's within the coding and doesn't change the fact that everyone is still connecting to the same network whether
they're silver or gold. Of course using an app like IE would have the potential to open up new security risks since you're then connecting to any server you want, but that's a bit different and you're still using the same internet connection in either case.

@EnenDaveyBoy - Sorry, but for the 5th time now, that's not how things work. People are connecting over the same network. I have no idea where you've gotten these ideas from, but the simple fact is that there's nothing in Xbox LIVE that makes connecting
to Netflix or any of the other apps any safer than connecting to them using a Roku. Don't you think if there was then MS would heavily advertise how much safer their network was and why?

You're obviously not going to admit that you're wrong though, so the only thing I can suggest is to use Google and do a bit of research so you can see how things actually work. Then maybe you'll understand why many people were upset about the useless and
unnecessary paywall. Otherwise, keep believing whatever you want. If you want to believe there are magical bunnies with laser guns that keep Xbox LIVE safe then more power to ya I guess. I forget sometimes that I'm likely trying to talk sense into a teenager
here when they obviously already know everything there is and could never be wrong.

 

@Lest, and your source that silver is not over an extranet (something that simply says how it works would be fine)? There isn't one.....

The fact is neither of us know how silver is setup, or how the restrictions are in place.

However Silver uses the internet to contact live services over the internet, it doesn't give you access to it, if it did where are the legitimate online articles to play multiple COD online with a silver account, or any other online activity, if it where
simply the same as gold, there were be hundreds of work arounds by now. Your if statement is a good idea, can you imaging how wages in online security would fall if you could stop people from access things online with a simple if statement.

I guess the other issues is your definition of "connected to the internet"

No one should really brag about their security online, that's just an invitation for someone to hack it.

However this has led me to think we are talking about two different things, my opening statement is

IMO gold offers an additional layer of protection, it might be false belief but if user are allowed to access things without gold, that will affect my belief.

But actually your argument is, if your moving from the protection of a silver account to more internet, you should worry about security more (if you haven't thought about it before).

I am supprised that xbox isn't making use of Live Authentication for signing to 3rd party solutions such as netflixs.

What would be interesting, is how silver and gold do work, but since we are never going to know its just speculation either way.

I know why people are unhappy about paying for gold to what netflix, but thats wasn't my point, the part about the teenager is mutual .

 

@GG agree and thats as much as anyone knows, the rest is just speculation, hence my attempted to open the discussion, but as I said to Lest we are never going to know how it works, and sadly thats the way it should be.