RGB Full On X Box One (old topic but I don't get it)

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  1. MartyCanadaG
    MartyCanadaG Guest

    RGB Full On X Box One (old topic but I don't get it)


    So I've checked out many different forums and sites and they only confuse me more.

    I understand the difference and what they both mean in the colour range spectrum aka limited= 16-255 and Full= 0-255 but what i don't understand is how every other console I own can output full rgb properly on my Sony Bravia ( yes it does show the content
    properly) in fact it looks so much better when both console and tv are set to full imo and shadows and details are not lost.

    So why is that when I set both console and tv to full on the X Box One the blacks completely crush all details?.

    Can someone can explain to me why on every other console be it Playstation 4 and even Nintendo Switch the Full Rgb setting works just fine with no crushed blacks but with X Box One all detail is completely crushed by an overpowering shadow detail?. Ive tweaked
    the settings a few times but to no avail it does not improve. Full is turned on both and settings for blacks and whites are calibrated correctly.

    Setting the X Box One to standard and the tv to limited seems to resolve this issue but you do lose the extra range of colour and detail or at least you seem too.

    What is even more confusing is that some articles state that you should set the tv to full and the x box one to standard.

    I always thought that mixing signals is a big no no so why do people say to do this?.

    There also seems to be a misconception that Standard Rgb is the "true full rgb" which again makes no sense.

    My Tv does support full range and i know it does without issue so why is it that the X Box One does not seem to work properly with it even though everything else does?

    Does anyone have a work around or some form of suggestion so that I can actually get the most and best picture from my X Box One?.

    Does anyone have a Sony Bravia and might be able to help out with the settings to fix them?

    Or is this just a standard issue and is unfixable because of the consoles design?

    Don't know if it makes a difference but I currently own the X Box One S.

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!.

    :)
     
    MartyCanadaG, Mar 20, 2017
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  2. MartyCanadaG
    MartyCanadaG Guest
    RGB Full Solution on X Box One and an apology for my post that has been deleted

    So I posted yesterday about a problem with the PC RGB mode on the X Box One. I have found a solution for myself and wanted to share it.

    Unfortunately yesterday I didn't read the forum rules and I compared the X Box One with other consoles so I'm pretty sure it was flagged and taken down.

    Honestly this is an X Box Forum and I should have known better and will from here on out keep my personal opinions to do with other consoles away from this forum as it is rude and not appropriate to everyone that supports X Box and the X Box community.

    So to the X Box forum and community I apologize and would like to make amends.

    First off there isn't anything wrong with PC RGB setting and I let my impatience get the better of me.

    What was really wrong was my setting for the colour depth and I'm sure allot of people will also find this useful as otherwise they will run into the same issue I did.

    Any modern TV supports what is known as "deep colour" and although technically changing the colour depth should not effect anything per say but it does in fact improve the picture imo.

    I had my colour depth set to 8 bit also known as 24 bits per pixel. Your average TV setting at limited and the standard rgb setting on the X Box One makes excellent use of this in fact it looks so good that I'm sure most people wont bother to switch over. When
    you change to PC RGB mode and full mode on your tv I find that colour setting crushes blacks.

    So when you turn on PC RGB you should also change the colour depth to whatever your TV Supports, You can look this up usually on the internet or through experimentation see for yourself. If the setting you choose such as 10 bit or 12 bit only fades to a
    black screen then your tv does not support that colour depth. Makes it fairly easy to discover your maximum depth quickly.

    So after adjusting my settings to 36 bit aka 12 bits per pixel and turning both the tv and console on to full rgb wala the picture looks great in full. Due to the fact that I did not originally understand X Box One's system options I overlooked this and
    it was silly of me but its an easy mistake to make when you don't know what your doing or talking about.

    The other reason I overlooked it is because the internet sites and other forums say that there is no point in changing the colour depth as no content will support it anyways. That may be true but I still do notice a difference in overall picture quality.

    It is worth noting however that I still can't get the blacks to be perfect per say and I can still see quite a bit of black crush when playing games though not nearly as prominent as before.

    In the X Box calibration screen I still cannot see the closed eye no matter what adjustments I make which is curious. The picture it self has way more contrast and is seemingly better but I still feel like setting the X Box to standard and tv may produce
    better results even if those are not perfect either. On the standard setting i still notice a lil bit of black crush but it is not nearly as noticeable as on the PC RGB settings which again is curious.

    I like the PC RGB colour range much more as it is more vibrant and way more sharp but it almost seems like you lose details even when both are set up correctly.

    Still if you think that your TV's picture can be better on your X Box One and you can't figure out why despite being convinced by different things across the web that certain settings are the way to go then you may want to give this a try.

    I am going to experiment more today with standard and PC rgb settings and I'll see what I find and post an update later for those interested and who like this topic or are curious for their own tv setup.

    Cheers everyone.

    Hope this post helps out anyone new to this console like I was just yesterday.

    The X Box One once you understand it is quite the system.

    .
     
    MartyCanadaG, Mar 20, 2017
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  3. JTF195
    JTF195 Guest
    Display Calibration and RGB, black levels

    All of you are correct in describing how RGB Full and RGB Limited are SUPPOSED to work.

    On every device I own EXCEPT the Xbox 360 and Xbox One, the options for RGB Limited and RGB Full DO work this way.

    On the Xbox 360 and Xbox One, however, the RGB Limited option outputs RGB Full, and the RGB Full option is completely broken.
     
    JTF195, Mar 20, 2017
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  4. JTF195 Win User

    Display Calibration and RGB, black levels

    All of you are correct in describing how RGB Full and RGB Limited are SUPPOSED to work.

    On every device I own EXCEPT the Xbox 360 and Xbox One, the options for RGB Limited and RGB Full DO work this way.

    On the Xbox 360 and Xbox One, however, the RGB Limited option outputs RGB Full, and the RGB Full option is completely broken.
  5. JTF195 Win User

    Display Calibration and RGB, black levels

    As of the most recent Xbox 360 and Xbox One updates, the problem is still not fixed.

    I have my TV calibrated and configured properly. I have tested it with my both my PS3 and PC set to RGB Full and RGB Limited, and my Wii U (which outputs RGB Limited)

    It works perfectly with all 3 devices.

    On both the Xbox 360 and Xbox One, however, the output from the both the RGB Full and RGB limited options have 16 levels of black crushing and 16 levels of white crushing when the TV is set to the corresponding mode, and only look normal when the TV is set
    to RGB Full, and the Xbox is set to RGB Limited.

    I don't have recording equipment, but others have recorded output and tested the black levels in photoshop to verify this issue.

    Essentially the problem breaks down as follows:

    Black Levels

    15-239

    - PS RGB Limited option, Wii U, PC RGB Limited output

    0-255

    - Xbox RGB Limited option, PS RGB Full option, PC RGB Full output

    (-16)-271 (values out of range by 16 levels)

    - Incorrect Xbox RGB Full option
  6. RedEye Expr3ss Win User

    Thoughts on update?

    Couldn't get recent players to work, the OS needs a background or theme that works with the ads. Friends list is way better, still getting crushed blacks on full rgb with a full rgb monitor set to full rgb, which is odd since I have 3 other items hooked
    up functioning in full rgb, I think XB1 has a problem with this.
  7. Jaymo1978 Win User

    Console/TV A/V settings help.

    Hi Cybershot! You're right, this topic is nutty and has a lot of conflicting info! First, RGB Full and Limited are HORRIBLY named. :) You would think you always want the "full" range of info. However, a TV receiving a game console, blu-ray or cable box
    input should always be set to RGB Limited. (Don't worry, you're not sacrificing anything by setting to limited, and actually, it gives a better picture.

    Typically, the RGB Full setting is used with PCs, which display a full color range of 0-255. Even though most HDTVs are compatible with RGB full, they only do that for calibration purposes to make black level easier to calibrate, but it is misleading because
    most video sources don't supply content in the 0-15 (blacker than black) or 236-255 (whiter than white.) What happens is, when you set the TV (and Xbox) to limited, it converts the 0-15 range up to 16 and the 236-255 down to 235. If the TV can't do this (i.e.
    when it's set to Full) then shadows and highlights lose a LOT of detail, appearing more stark white or black (as in the example of the calibration eye not appearing.)

    FYI, to make this MORE confusing, the opposite is true for PC monitors; if you use one of those, the console should be set to full. :)

    Hope this helps!
  8. samppalinna96 Win User

    Ycbcr support for 1080p/4k bluray playback

    i noticed the same when watching 4k ultra blu ray hdr movies 24hz setting on. X box one x outputs only rgb and picture is a mess with my optoma uhd65 projector. You need to fix it output ycbcr on 24hz setting on too!!

    If i unselect 24hz x box outputs 60hz ycbcr and picture is pretty good.
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