Mass Effect Andromeda Now available to Preorder Digitally

BluSwirl · Mar 16, 2017

Why are some so devoted to a game or company that people expecting better are branded by them as 'entitled.' Why are people entitled for not wanting obvious bugs in the game when it comes out, why are some so happy to follow a 'the company will
fix it later' doctrine.

All I will comment about the Mass Effect 3 endings is that the execution was terrible and the Extended Cut is what the endings should have been at release.
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It's entitlement to think that those making the loudest noise about perceived shortfalls could do better themselves! It's not about brand adherence; it's about taking stock of the situation - namely, after four long years a new Mass Effect adventure has
dropped (in better or worse shape than anticipated). Speaking of bugs and fixes, am not entirely sure there's much to be *fixed* - the game file presently sits at 44GB. To my mind, that's a finished game.

Ditto for Mass Effect 3, prior to the "fix" that was gamer discontent. I played through the trilogy; I made my choices and invested heartily in the JOURNEY. It's not always about endgame in RPGs - it's about the rich bounty of experience (XP) harvested while
playing. And remembering where you've been. Entitlement is when you forget where you came from whilst arguing about every little misstep on the way. After three hours of Andromeda (with another seven more to come before the trial ends), I'm not feeling entitled...
I'm feeling GRATEFUL.

Daft Badger · Mar 17, 2017

Some of the facial animations are bloody terrible,especially coming from a company like Bioware.Don't see it as "entitlement" to expect something a bit better from Bioware

Getting used to the combat but that's more to do with the fact I've been playing Ghost Recon & STO so it just takes a bit of getting used to I suppose.

Played about 3 hours so far which isn't really enough to make up my mind on a game like this but i'm not blown away so far

Goth Vampirella · Mar 17, 2017

Mass Effect Andromeda's animations are getting compared to Pingu, robots and gorillas!

Mass Effect: Andromeda's Animations Are Somehow Worse Than Mass Effect 3's!

I don't have enough time to post the amount of links bashing this game.

I haven't seen this much backlash since people hated on the last Resident Evil game... but those people changed their minds so there's always hope. lol

As for the word "entitled", I feel gamers are entitled to make up their own minds if they like or dislike something. I may be in the minority here but I don't need other gamers approval on any game I play. I don't get upset and rant if a review doesn't
like a game I do. I like what I like and I hate what I hate. Pretty simple really.

I never really had any use for the Mass Effect games so none of the reviews really mean anything to me.

J3RS3Y DEVIL · Mar 17, 2017

I stand corrected from my OP.

At least you can get a refund on a physical copy of the game.

I have canceled my pre-order by calling support (1-800-469-9269). I recommend others do the same if they have digitally pre-ordered. I'll consider buying it again if I see some kind of evidence that they have fixed this piece of crap.

BluSwirl · Mar 17, 2017

Some of the facial animations are bloody terrible,especially coming from a company like Bioware.Don't see it as "entitlement" to expect something a bit better from Bioware

Getting used to the combat but that's more to do with the fact I've been playing Ghost Recon & STO so it just takes a bit of getting used to I suppose.Played about 3 hours so far which isn't really enough to make up my mind on a game like this but i'm not
blown away so far
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Must admit, the CHARACTER CREATION options were a *huge* letdown, especially since BioWare's last magnum opus (Dragon Age Inquisition) yielded just the right amount of tweakage for my obsessive-compulsive level of involvement. That said, I did what I could
with the tools provided, and even though my 'FemRyder' is a poor approximation of [the trilogy's] 'FemShep', I'm not about to rail against the obsessive-compulsive levels of detail that have gone into Andromeda's WORLD-BUILDING.

It's exceedingly hard to judge the game, but likewise very easy to nitpick the clunky animations, when you're just stumbling about in the prelude to action. As per usual, I chose "Insanity" difficulty out of the gate, and yes, the "action" is punishing when
you've not had access to any bespoke R&D station (only available after boarding the Tempest), and yes, it's excruciating when you're having to replay checkpoints because there's no manual saves. But man oh man, once you've been initiated as the Pathfinder,
once you've upgraded a weapon or two, once you've chosen a specialist 'profile' and boldly set out to carve a niche for yourself, the greater galaxy is every bit as inviting as past Mass Effect games!

You begin to look past the comedic faces, the bad jokes, and instead look forward to another ripping sci-fi yarn! I've just exhausted my 9.5 hours of trial time, and can't wait to resume progress later in the week. But yeah, compared to the combat efficiency
and tactical smarts of Ghost Recon Wildlands (the game I've been playing prior to Andromeda), it's hard not to feel a tinge of disappointment that BioWare hasn't spit and polished this game to perfection.

J3RS3Y DEVIL · Mar 17, 2017

Bioware has responded.

Fix this EA!

BluSwirl · Mar 17, 2017

Bioware has responded.

Fix this EA!
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Er, gotcha?

After rolling on the floor, I picked myself up and suddenly realized - if I'm not part of the solution, I'm part of the problem. Because although I know implicitly there's something wrong with this "triple-A" title, by the same token I didn't actually see
what was so funny about MICROTRANSACTIONS for DLC costumes! That's actually a sad indictment of consumerism, because I also realized I've paid for preorder "bonuses" (aka DLC costumes) - which I haven't been able to access until my preorder ships.

I also realized, after reflecting upon the past 9-10 hours with the trial, that I'm still *not* happy with my FemRyder - and that I could actually do better by rolling a new character model! Which means, come Thursday, Imma gonna restart the game - again!
- because I'm no longer laughing with the masses. I'm laughing (or crying) because BioWare has taken me for another RYDE.

LodgedBonsai923 · Mar 18, 2017

I couldn't build a car but I know if the brakes fail, that's a bad thing. By the same measure I can't program to save my life but know a dodgy animation when I see one. It is somewhat foolish to write off comments simply because the person making them isn't
a programmer for a game studio.

The journey can be fantastic but if you arrive at the destination to find all there is is a large pile of cow manure, do you remember that drive or is the first thing you recall that pile of manure? That's the problem with poor endings, they become the first
thing people remember about the story. A mediocre story can be saved by a rousing ending, it raises the story in people's minds as the ending is the first thing that comes to mind, and by the same token a great story can be ruined by a flat ending.

BluSwirl · Mar 19, 2017

The journey can be fantastic but if you arrive at the destination to find all there is is a large pile of cow manure, do you remember that drive or is the first thing you recall that pile of manure? That's the problem with poor endings, they become the first
thing people remember about the story.
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As neither of us has played nor reached the endpoint of Mass Effect Andromeda, it's a bit premature to suggest the destination may lead us into the *bowels* of the earth (lol)- likewise your analogy which likens a poor ending to a pile of manure! *Eww* After
24 years of playing some great and not-so-great videogames, I don't think I've ever declared an ending to reek, although I do remember quitting in abject horror when a game underdelivered or performed "poorly", or otherwise offered little reward for all the
hours spent with it (examples: GTAV and Destiny).

In respect of where Andromeda is headed, well, the academic answer would be posterity - or its place in the videogame hierarchy, and it's something of a relief to report that all roads (apparently) have led to a "favorable" destination!

A pot of gold or pile of...?

LodgedBonsai923 · Mar 20, 2017

The journey can be fantastic but if you arrive at the destination to find all there is is a large pile of cow manure, do you remember that drive or is the first thing you recall that pile of manure? That's the problem with poor endings, they become the first
thing people remember about the story.

As neither of us has played nor reached the endpoint of Mass Effect Andromeda, it's a bit premature to suggest the destination may lead us into the *bowels* of the earth (lol)- likewise your analogy which likens a poor ending to a pile of manure! *Eww* After
24 years of playing some great and not-so-great videogames, I don't think I've ever declared an ending to reek, although I do remember quitting in abject horror when a game underdelivered or performed "poorly", or otherwise offered little reward for all the
hours spent with it (examples: GTAV and Destiny).

In respect of where Andromeda is headed, well, the academic answer would be posterity - or its place in the videogame hierarchy, and it's something of a relief to report that all roads (apparently) have led to a "favorable" destination!

A pot of gold or pile of...?
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It was a somewhat extreme example to demonstrate that the ending to a story can colour a person's entire impression of it, for right or wrong. It wasn't directed at Andromeda but rather Mass Effect 3.

Another example would be the movie 'Signs'. A great tale let down by a terrible aliens who are allergic to water invading a planet covered with the stuff ending. Do people remember the great acting, direction, dialogue etc or do they remember aliens allergic
to water invading a planet covered with it.

The part of Andromeda I am most concerned about is the dropping of the class system. I'm not a Origin Access subscriber, so haven't had the chance to see how the new setup works, but I have a feeling that people are quickly going to find the most effective
combinations and just stick with them despite it making the game easy, just as people did with the infinitely firing weapons in Mass Effect 1.

Daft Badger · Mar 20, 2017

You never played Rage then on the 360,man,that ending reeked.Calling it "a pile of manure" would be a compliment.

I'm not a fan of dropping the "class" system. While it does give you more freedom I suppose it will end up with almost everyone playing the same combo of skills & wotnot because it's the most powerful/easy.

LodgedBonsai923 · Oct 31, 2018

Rage was one of those games that didn't even hit my radar. I'm always tempted by it when I see it appear in a Steam sale, and it's only around $10 anyway, but I tend to find something else to play instead. With your recommendation I don't think I'll even
be considering it from now on.

I want Andromeda to be great, especially since Bioware have said they've taken more cues from the first game in the franchise, and if it fails then that will have a backward effect on what people think of Mass Effect 1.

LodgedBonsai923

The journey can be fantastic but if you arrive at the destination to find all there is is a large pile of cow manure, do you remember that drive or is the first thing you recall that pile of manure? That's the problem with poor endings, they become the first
thing people remember about the story.

As neither of us has played nor reached the endpoint of Mass Effect Andromeda, it's a bit premature to suggest the destination may lead us into the *bowels* of the earth (lol)- likewise your analogy which likens a poor ending to a pile of manure! *Eww* After
24 years of playing some great and not-so-great videogames, I don't think I've ever declared an ending to reek, although I do remember quitting in abject horror when a game underdelivered or performed "poorly", or otherwise offered little reward for all the
hours spent with it (examples: GTAV and Destiny).

In respect of where Andromeda is headed, well, the academic answer would be posterity - or its place in the videogame hierarchy, and it's something of a relief to report that all roads (apparently) have led to a "favorable" destination! 🙂

A pot of gold or pile of...?

It was a somewhat extreme example to demonstrate that the ending to a story can colour a person's entire impression of it, for right or wrong. It wasn't directed at Andromeda but rather Mass Effect 3.

Another example would be the movie 'Signs'. A great tale let down by a terrible aliens who are allergic to water invading a planet covered with the stuff ending. Do people remember the great acting, direction, dialogue etc or do they remember aliens allergic
to water invading a planet covered with it.

The part of Andromeda I am most concerned about is the dropping of the class system. I'm not a Origin Access subscriber, so haven't had the chance to see how the new setup works, but I have a feeling that people are quickly going to find the most effective
combinations and just stick with them despite it making the game easy, just as people did with the infinitely firing weapons in Mass Effect 1.

J3RS3Y DEVIL

I stand corrected from my OP.

At least you can get a refund on a physical copy of the game.

I have canceled my pre-order by calling support (1-800-469-9269). I recommend others do the same if they have digitally pre-ordered. I'll consider buying it again if I see some kind of evidence that they have fixed this piece of crap.

LodgedBonsai923

Is it really entitlement to expect the best a studio can provide?

The animations and attention to detail in Andromeda is worse than in Battlefield 1 and that's a shooter where those things take a back seat to the action. Is it really entitlement to expect a role playing game, a Bioware role playing game, to excel in those
areas?

Why are some so devoted to a game or company that people expecting better are branded by them as 'entitled.' Why are people entitled for not wanting obvious bugs in the game when it comes out, why are some so happy to follow a 'the company will fix it later'
doctrine.

All I will comment about the Mass Effect 3 endings is that the execution was terrible and the Extended Cut is what the endings should have been at release.

HairyLoveSpuds

Hey Blu, How's You....?

I am not a person that subscribes to one console, when you can have all, and get the exclusives for each one. Especially with the likes of Halo, Last of Us, Forza, Gran Turismo, Etc, Etc. Why miss out on a game, just to spite yourself because you are fixated
on a single console.

Long may consoles Reign...

Hey, , am fine thanks. Took a chill pill since I last posted so don't mind the outburst. 🙂

Am not so much fixated on a single console as fixated on a need to keep up with the the demands of technology. I've mentioned elsewhere on these forums that I've budgeted for this year's obligatory 4K UPGRADES - courtesy Project Scorpio and the associated
upgrade path required to 'feed' the beast (UHD TV and HDCP 2.2 compliant A/V receiver). I take it in order to get the best result from your Pro, you've similarly had to invest (or divest yourself of funds)? That wouldn't be a dealbreaker as such if I wanted
to throw a bunch of money at Sony to get the best of their platform, however it comes with two VERY SUBSTANTIAL caveats:

1. I've held onto my PS3 purely because it's a killer Blu-ray player. I live in Australia, therefore it's a 'Region B' territory, which means BD playback should be dictated by my region. However, because my PS3 has a dual voltage output (it's a Region A
model manufactured in China), I have instead bypassed the rules and amassed a Region A library. Why? There's a few reasons, but primarily I get access to theatrical releases and/or arthouse films not available in my country (eg, American Honey has released
to the US market, but has not yet screened theatrically in Australia - if it does at all).

1a. By extension, if I wanted to continue my Region A lineage, I would've naturally looked to PS3's successor (PS4) for the privilege. But here's the thing: with 4K becoming the latest thing, I should instead be focusing my future needs on a UHD library,
right? Well, that won't work for me because SONY DON'T ALLOW UHD PLAYBACK! Whereas my 'future-proofed' Xbox One S (and ultimately Scorpio) *do* accommodate UHD, plus there's the handy bonus that all UHD discs are region-free (ie, one less reason to choose
a Sony player if it was an option).

2. Those platform exclusives you speak of aren't really a do-or-die proposition. You mentioned a couple of titles (The Last of Us and Gran Turismo), but how long must dedicated fans wait before they materialize? Certainly, TLOU2 won't be this year, and Sony's
racing fraternity have waited FOREVER for their latest whiff of rocket fuel. Of the other exclusives that would "sell" a PS4 for me, there's only Gravity Rush 2, Horizon: Zero Dawn and Detroit: Become Human. Needless to say, I'm not big on cherry-picking.

At risk of going OT, I'll leave it there, although I could've added that *none* of Sony's SKUs aesthetically appeal to me. Looking back at the halcyon days of Sega Dreamcast, I've always favored the purity of WHITE consoles. If I'm fixated on anything, it's
color co-ordination! 😆 (P.S. Yes, I'm well aware that there's a new PS4 SLIM that's a lovely shade of white, but that's not exactly a Pro, is it? Either way, I just don't like the look of any of their current range!)

Wow Swirl, You won't by a console, because it is not aesthetically pleasing, That is a bit naive and perhaps ****. too miss out on games because a console doesn't meet a certain look. Don't get me wrong, the look is a good quality, but to me, it's all about
the games, games, games.

As much as your comments give merit and argument. They still sound anti Sony. I mentioned just 2 exclusives, How many exclusives does the Xbox Brand have coming out compared to Sony. And if you take into consideration, if i changed my GFX card in my mini
rig to upgrade i wouldn't need an Xbox because they will all be available on the PC.

have a look at the domionation Sony has over Xbox and consider their considerable sales advantage as well. http://gematsu.com/exclusives/

I don't mean to be picky, but i am a picky person, i cannot understand why Microsoft with all of their money decided to buy Minecraft with however many billion it was, when they could have purchased several in house gaming companies and made some serious
exclusives, they seem to be dropping the ball in my opinion on fresh new ideas, and rattling out the same IP's with a number attached to the end. They seem to be cancelling more than releasing..,.

BluSwirl

Hey Blu, How's You....?

I am not a person that subscribes to one console, when you can have all, and get the exclusives for each one. Especially with the likes of Halo, Last of Us, Forza, Gran Turismo, Etc, Etc. Why miss out on a game, just to spite yourself because you are fixated
on a single console.

Long may consoles Reign...

Hey, HairyLoveSpuds, am fine thanks. Took a chill pill since I last posted so don't mind the outburst. 🙂

Am not so much fixated on a single console as fixated on a need to keep up with the the demands of technology. I've mentioned elsewhere on these forums that I've budgeted for this year's obligatory 4K UPGRADES - courtesy Project Scorpio and the associated
upgrade path required to 'feed' the beast (UHD TV and HDCP 2.2 compliant A/V receiver). I take it in order to get the best result from your Pro, you've similarly had to invest (or divest yourself of funds)? That wouldn't be a dealbreaker as such if I wanted
to throw a bunch of money at Sony to get the best of their platform, however it comes with two VERY SUBSTANTIAL caveats:

1. I've held onto my PS3 purely because it's a killer Blu-ray player. I live in Australia, therefore it's a 'Region B' territory, which means BD playback should be dictated by my region. However, because my PS3 has a dual voltage output (it's a Region A
model manufactured in China), I have instead bypassed the rules and amassed a Region A library. Why? There's a few reasons, but primarily I get access to theatrical releases and/or arthouse films not available in my country (eg, American Honey has released
to the US market, but has not yet screened theatrically in Australia - if it does at all).

1a. By extension, if I wanted to continue my Region A lineage, I would've naturally looked to PS3's successor (PS4) for the privilege. But here's the thing: with 4K becoming the latest thing, I should instead be focusing my future needs on a UHD library,
right? Well, that won't work for me because SONY DON'T ALLOW UHD PLAYBACK! Whereas my 'future-proofed' Xbox One S (and ultimately Scorpio) *do* accommodate UHD, plus there's the handy bonus that all UHD discs are region-free (ie, one less reason to choose
a Sony player if it was an option).

2. Those platform exclusives you speak of aren't really a do-or-die proposition. You mentioned a couple of titles (The Last of Us and Gran Turismo), but how long must dedicated fans wait before they materialize? Certainly, TLOU2 won't be this year, and Sony's
racing fraternity have waited FOREVER for their latest whiff of rocket fuel. Of the other exclusives that would "sell" a PS4 for me, there's only Gravity Rush 2, Horizon: Zero Dawn and Detroit: Become Human. Needless to say, I'm not big on cherry-picking.

At risk of going OT, I'll leave it there, although I could've added that *none* of Sony's SKUs aesthetically appeal to me. Looking back at the halcyon days of Sega Dreamcast, I've always favored the purity of WHITE consoles. If I'm fixated on anything, it's
color co-ordination! 😆 (P.S. Yes, I'm well aware that there's a new PS4 SLIM that's a lovely shade of white, but that's not exactly a Pro, is it? Either way, I just don't like the look of any of their current range!)

Mass Effect Andromeda Now available to Preorder Digitally