How powerful is the XB1?

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  1. How powerful is the XB1?


    Truth, while you are right in your assertions as far as I can tell, I resent the fact that you call consoles "stupid proof" - just because they make things easier doesn't make those of us who use the consoles "stupid" so to speak, which is what it sounds
    like you may be implying (at least to some people). You can take the easiest thing in the world (whatever that is), be the smartest person in the world, and still mess it up. That's a part of human nature - we make mistakes. As an example, the Xbox One uses
    voice commands to make using the console far easier, but a large portion of the community has still had issues learning those voice commands or doesn't bother altogether because it's different from what they're already accustomed to. I wouldn't call that stupid-proof.
     
    Galactic Geek, Jun 12, 2014
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  2. jaihawk
    jaihawk Guest
    @Galactic

    You are absolutely right. Maybe a poor choice of words, but it's a common phrase used to imply it can't be *** up, not to insult. maybe idiot proof would have had less an impact. For the record, I think everyone is stupid, myself included. Consumers expect
    consoles to be easy to use. If it isn't easy, they 'don't bother altogether' as you said. Speaking of the kinect it's at the wayside now. btw I'm not 'right', just expressing opinion.
     
    jaihawk, Jun 12, 2014
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  3. Wiggs
    Wiggs Guest
    Ok, Hellfire. I misread your post.

    Let's just say you're right in everything b/c I misread your post and no one makes mistakes except me and everyone who you've ever argued against.

    You're right...consoles are not PC b/c they are closed off systems....that was totally the point of talking about power in tech specs.
     
    Wiggs, Jun 12, 2014
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  4. How powerful is the XB1?

    Its an efficient chip set. Its not built of raw power therefore many developers look at games based on how much they can throw at the hardware.

    The concept is how can I use the hardware to create the experience I'm after. A lot of AAA developers on forced to look at time = loss of $ so they push to rush a game out as fast as they can and later use updates to stabilize the disaster they've released.

    Can the X1 handle 1080p yes

    Can the X1 handle 60FPS yes

    Can the X1 handle both 1080p/60FPS, yes

    Here is the issue, building a game for the X1 cannot use the approach that a game built for a PC or the PS4 so in many cases, the ESRAM and lack of understanding on the chipset put the developers at a disadvantage. They spend more time trying to get the
    game to run and this leaves little time to optimize resolution and frames.

    I'd like to see an SDK that takes the approach and formats it into the X1 chipset for many different old and new engines. The older engines just cant port into ESRAM.

    It looks like the road is going to be a very long one unless a lot of changes are sent out to enable the devs to port things over better.

    Thats the disadvantage. If it takes me 3 to 4 times longer to port an X1 vs a PS4, guess which gets more attention to detail.

    <insert sad face>
     
    NewBlacksmurf, Jun 12, 2014
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  5. The Xbox One is SO POWERFUL:

    It can cause a virtual endless sea of complaint threads, regarding its 'shortcomings'.

    It can cause people who hate MS to endlessly attack it.

    It can cause people who like MS to endlessly defend it.

    It has provided a nearly endless supply of troll food. In fact, I wonder how the poor things even function when they're that full. One would think they'd all be lying under their bridges in a swollen bellied coma by now.

    It has caused countless forum wars.

    All together now. More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound...
     
    A Blue Illusion, Jun 12, 2014
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  6. Karma403
    Karma403 Guest
    ^ @A Blue Illusion ahaha best post ever.
     
    Karma403, Jun 12, 2014
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  7. Hellfire IRL
    Hellfire IRL Guest
    Well no you did read it spot on, although thanks for understanding you're the only person who makes mistakes, and everything I say is absolutely categorically correct. I'm extremely glad you've enjoyed my presentation of the facts around the performance
    specification within a consoles hardware, which was completely relevant, and I'm delighted you've finally a grasped the meaning of a statement in context. Have a wonderful day!
     
    Hellfire IRL, Jun 12, 2014
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  8. IceStorm III
    IceStorm III Guest

    How powerful is the XB1?

    [quote user="ICN3D"]The X1 and PS4, from what I'm told, are essentially an all in one AMD APU.[/quote]Prior to the reveal of the architecture, that was the assumption sites made because they wanted a baseline from which to proclaim which was "better" (Eurogamer).
    Between MS's Hot Chips presentation and what Cerny has said about the PS4, that's no longer the case.
    They are wrong.
    The "hidden power" of a console is its long lifespan, which gives developers time to extract the most performance from the system architecture.[quote user="TruthReveal3d"]Generally
    speaking those who game on PC are unimpressed.[/quote]I'm not sure people trying to play Watch_Dogs would feel that way. Ubisoft didn't bother to optimize Watch_Dogs. It eats texture memory for breakfast. The vast majority of gaming PCs out there don't have
    4GB to 6GB of VRAM to hold textures. The new consoles do.
    For gaming? This is the first generation where a midrange PC is the equal of a console (assuming decent texture memory management). Both the 360 and the
    original XBOX had state of the art GPUs based off or preceding their PC desktop counterparts. Xenon had unified shaders before ATI put them into PC parts. NV2A had GeForce 3 features before GeForce 3 launched. Not to mention both had top of the line or near-top
    of the line CPU performance.

    This is the first console generation in a while where consoles are squarely second class out of the gate compared to midrange gaming PCs in terms of component pieces, but the architectural features not found on a PC will allow them to remain relevant for
    five or so years, if not longer.[quote user="New Blacksmurf"]Thats the disadvantage. If it takes me 3 to 4 times longer to port an X1 vs a PS4, guess which gets more attention to detail.[/quote]Shouldn't happen. Most games aren't built from the ground up.
    They use middleware/engines from third parties. Middleware and the popular engines will catch up in short order. There will be virtually no difference between the top two contenders.
     
    IceStorm III, Jun 12, 2014
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  9. Hello everyone How powerful is the XB1? :)

    I'm not "Tech-Savvy" so I only game on consoles. With that said, I'm grateful for whatever capabilities a console has because it allows me to play games How powerful is the XB1? :)

    Have a nice day or afternoon or night everyone How powerful is the XB1? :)
     
    Lei Fang DOAX3, Jun 14, 2014
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  10. smileskybird
    smileskybird Guest
    I like Blue Illusion's post too XD;

    It does have a lot of horse power, and it has 8 jaguars too - that's how powerful it is aka an AMD 8-CORE JAGUAR.... APU.

    It's much more powerful than the Xbox 360 in terms or RAM and processing capability and Xbox 1 has three hundred thousand Xbox Live Azure servers worldwide where as Xbox 360 only has 15,000 Xbox Live servers worldwide.
     
    smileskybird, Jun 14, 2014
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  11. jaihawk
    jaihawk Guest
    @Ice

    I didn't say no one was impressed. By your enthusiasm with watch dogs, it should be a system seller. ultimately the proof is in the pudding. Theories on how great the games 'will be' mean nothing.
     
    jaihawk, Oct 31, 2018
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  12. IceStorm III Win User

    How powerful is the XB1?

    [quote user="ICN3D"]The X1 and PS4, from what I'm told, are essentially an all in one AMD APU.[/quote]Prior to the reveal of the architecture, that was the assumption sites made because they wanted a baseline from which to proclaim which was "better" (Eurogamer).
    Between MS's Hot Chips presentation and what Cerny has said about the PS4, that's no longer the case.
    Again...from what I'm being told from ppl at Toms Hardware...the X1 is essentially just like an AMD APU.
    They are wrong.
    All I'm saying
    is that you fanboys want ppl to think that there is hidden power there when there isn't.
    The "hidden power" of a console is its long lifespan, which gives developers time to extract the most performance from the system architecture.[quote user="TruthReveal3d"]Generally
    speaking those who game on PC are unimpressed.[/quote]I'm not sure people trying to play Watch_Dogs would feel that way. Ubisoft didn't bother to optimize Watch_Dogs. It eats texture memory for breakfast. The vast majority of gaming PCs out there don't have
    4GB to 6GB of VRAM to hold textures. The new consoles do.
    Consoles are always underpowered
    For gaming? This is the first generation where a midrange PC is the equal of a console (assuming decent texture memory management). Both the 360 and the
    original XBOX had state of the art GPUs based off or preceding their PC desktop counterparts. Xenon had unified shaders before ATI put them into PC parts. NV2A had GeForce 3 features before GeForce 3 launched. Not to mention both had top of the line or near-top
    of the line CPU performance.

    This is the first console generation in a while where consoles are squarely second class out of the gate compared to midrange gaming PCs in terms of component pieces, but the architectural features not found on a PC will allow them to remain relevant for
    five or so years, if not longer.[quote user="New Blacksmurf"]Thats the disadvantage. If it takes me 3 to 4 times longer to port an X1 vs a PS4, guess which gets more attention to detail.[/quote]Shouldn't happen. Most games aren't built from the ground up.
    They use middleware/engines from third parties. Middleware and the popular engines will catch up in short order. There will be virtually no difference between the top two contenders.
  13. Hellfire IRL Win User

    How powerful is the XB1?

    Well no you did read it spot on, although thanks for understanding you're the only person who makes mistakes, and everything I say is absolutely categorically correct. I'm extremely glad you've enjoyed my presentation of the facts around the performance
    specification within a consoles hardware, which was completely relevant, and I'm delighted you've finally a grasped the meaning of a statement in context. Have a wonderful day!
  14. IceStorm III Win User

    How powerful is the XB1?

    [quote user="ICN3D"]They have jobs picking apart the consoles[/quote]VentureBeat's article is halfway decent, though it has zero to do with a power discussion.

    Cinemablend's article is written to generate pageviews.
    and you're a forum goer.
    Again, attacking me instead of my arguments doesn't get you anywhere.
    Why should I even worry with what they say....
    I'm not sure why you would be
    concerned about anything posted by third parties.
    I should just listen to you.
    Are you interested in a discussion or are you interested in the world bending to your perception of it?
    I not attacking you....
    Stating my points are invalid
    because you believeI don't know what I'm talking about is directly attacking me, not the information I've provided. Stating my comments have little value because I'm "just a forum goer" is attacking me instead of the information I've provided.

    You and ppl like Hellfire are harping on me saying these consoles ARE PCs...I'm not saying that....
    You said, and I quote:

    "The new gen machines are actually more like PCs then they have ever been.

    It's x86 architecture. I'm not saying they aren't going to figure out tricks in the future....but these programmers probably learned on X86 archictecture and have dealt with it for years.

    So just saying that they just might be doing everything they can already.

    New tricks? Perhaps....but as of now, theres only so much you can do.

    Edit: the X1 is basically a PC anyway. More so than the PS4 or WiiU."

    This is fundamentally incorrect. None of the next gen consoles have an architecture that resembles a PC. As I stated earlier, "x86 architecture" refers to CPU architecture, not system architecture.
  15. IceStorm III Win User

    How powerful is the XB1?

    [quote user="TruthReveal3d"]Current gen consoles can be compared to a mid-range PC. i5 processor (at best) with a $150 video card in it. That's my observation so far.[/quote]That was when people were trying to get a feel for what the consoles may be like,
    before they came out.

    Watch_Dogs shows why that assessment is no longer valid. Watch_Dogs's VRAM usage on PC is unheard of for a PC title. Why? Because the consoles have a huge unified memory pool they can abuse. PCs don't. Ubisoft doesn't optimize for PC. My PC runs it just
    fine since it has 6GB of VRAM per card. Others? Not so much...[quote user="ICN3D"]Icestorm claims I'm wrong yet there are tons of ppl that know more than him that say otherwise.[/quote]Attacking me instead of discussing the links I provided which provide in-depth
    analysis of MS's Hot Chips presentation isn't going to get you anywhere.
    I posted 2 articles on the subject
    Which are not discussing actual system architecture. VentureBeat is providing analysis of physical components, not system architecture.
    Cinemablend is providing exceptionally poor analysis of how games run in general. CPU power? No, CPU is not the issue. PC gaming sites for years have been running "how much CPU do I need" roundups that show the effect of CPU scaling and GPU scaling. The short
    version is that after a certain baseline the CPU is far less important than GPU.

    Again, you are looking at both articles that have no relevance to a power discussion or articles with such poor analysis that they don't even warrant discussion.
  16. f00xm4n Win User

    How powerful is the XB1?

    Just to confirm both Machines have 64bit processors, which allows the Chip to address more memory and thus the OS. It's kinda pointless having a 32bit processor and addressing more memory as the BUS and data packets can't handle it, even if the OS could.
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