Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game

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  1. Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game


    I ran across this game while playing Klondike on Grandmaster difficulty. It's the first Grandmaster game I haven't been able to solve since picking up Microsoft Solitaire Collection again and I'm almost positive that it is unsolvable. Below is two screenshots,
    one of the game with no moves and another as deep as I can get into the columns on the table, with the first deal from the deck shown. I've also attached a sketch in Excel of the positions of all the cards that I can see.


    Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game [​IMG]



    Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game [​IMG]



    Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game [​IMG]


    Does anyone know how to solve this one? The only way that I can see to advance meaningfully past my second screenshot is to empty the first column on the left and put a king in it and build that column into either a red queen or a red jack. This would let
    you play the Jack of Clubs in the third column or the 10 of Clubs in the fourth. To get to that point, you need to play the 7 of Hearts followed by the 9 of Spades to be able to move the 8 of Hearts out of the first column. But doing so bumps the King of Diamonds
    back so he's trapped behind the Jack of Spades. If you fiddle with the bottom half of the deck, you can get the King of Clubs out, but the only red queen visible is the Queen of Hearts which is trapped behind the 5 of Spades with no red sixes visible.

    If this deal is actually unsolvable, how would I report that it is an unsolvable "solvable" deck? I found a

    thread
    from last year with the same question that points me to the
    Microsoft Casual Games Community
    , but that page just brings me back here when you click on Support.

    Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

    :)
     
    blacksheepghost, Mar 27, 2020
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  2. XBF Leo G Win User

    Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game

    Hello Landrew3232,

    Thank you for posting on the Xbox forums. We will be locking this thread due to it being revived by a new post. If there are any questions, discussions or issues that anyone would like to bring to our attention, please create a new thread. We will be
    more than happy to answer any questions or provide solutions for any issues. Thank you again and happy gaming
    Landrew3232!
  3. Landrew3232 Win User

    Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game

    Hi,

    What number is this game? I am on GrandMaster level 229 with three card deal. I am curious

    that there would be a problem with the software. On random deals I achieve 64% solvable using

    the back button and unlimited deals. My father and I both being interested in math thought 64%

    was unachievable ha. I no longer have the memory to use paper cards ha.
  4. MRallamagoosa Win User

    Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game

    Well when you select difficulty on Klondike (also Spider and Freecell if I well remember), you should be able to solve it since there was a specific update about this some time ago. When you go randon then you never know if it is solvable
    or not.

    In this case looking at the Excel there's not much you can do, I may be missing the trick, but I basically agree with the analysis.

    The only place where I actually see someone from the MS solitaire staff active is their Facebook page where they post daily about challenges and events, but I don't know if you'll get some feedback on a specific schema.

    https://www.facebook.com/microsoftsolitaire/
  5. ThisGameIsSucky Win User

    Found an Unsolvable "Solvable" Grandmaster Klondike Game

    I haven't played anything off of the Solitaire Collection in a while, but if I recall, after a certain point when you use the hint button during a game... the game will actually just end and give you the 'no moves left' screen or whatever it said. I play
    a lot of Tri-Peaks, so this isn't my expertise, lol. I don't remember if Klondike has the game number function in the settings of the game, does it? Each game is randomly generated so... it is possible for you to get an unsolvable game at some point, I'd say
    even more so on the harder deck difficulties.

    The first thing I would thing to try, would be to feed what information you have into something like a solitaire solver program on the internet... or if you're tech savvy enough (which I am not) you could code one yourself... which I'm sure wouldn't be too
    hard, the issue would most likely be being able to predict the hidden cards but online programs for card games and chess have done crazier things???
  6. Fidofelix1 Win User

    Unsolvable "Solvable" Klondike Grandmaster game

    Tried this. But it's impossible to get to the 5 spades as it's got the 6 spades in the way and no way to change the cards before it. I do think it must be insolvable.
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