Dark Souls vs Dark Souls two

Actually, the only thing I've heard about is that you can't use estus in the arena, which is a big improvement. (Although, can you still use other healing items? I don't know.)

Wait, I seem to recall something else about lowering defense for some heavy armors maybe? They are still stacking a lot of defense though, aren't they? Isn't that the point of heavy armor? DS1 made it more of a trade-off. You could be light and fast,
but with less defense, or you could be heavy and less able to dodge, but with less damage taken from hits. DS2 still throws that out the window. Why shouldn't we all just level up as much as possible, drop points into vitality, and wear the heaviest armor
while not facing any of the consequences of lack of mobility?

If they removed the stun-locking, then that's also an improvement. On that note, does anyone understand how the new poise system works? I have yet to figure it out.

 

DaS1 > DeS >>>> DaS2

I've already deleted 2 from the HDD a long time ago and don't even feel like coming back. With DaS1 I was unable to stop playing until I had done all I could do in it. DeS, while great, suffers from the fact that it's a PS3 exclusive. I'm tired of switching
between consoles so I've neglected that poor baby

 

Bloodborne is also supposed to be exclusive to the Playstation. Boooooooooooooo.

 

I'm going to agree with R3d P01nt on this one.

DkS1 was the better game overall. But that is taking into consideration the entirety of the game. Soul Memory atmosphere/lore (in my opinion this is where they really dropped the ball) and changes in mechanics. The layout of the world, I miss being able
to circle around in a short cut back to where I was. Some of the bosses have strange abilities that feel cheap. For example the covitous demon, while an easy boss he shouldn't be able to turn as fast as my character's sprint speed. Or how the smelter demon
cannot be melee'ed without taking chip damage. Overal the feel of the game was changed, i'm not even sure what exactly it was but I'm sure you know what I mean.

That being said and I'm sure I'll get some heat for this but I actually like the changes to poise in DKS2! Poise-stacking for backstabs was really annoying, yes you could counter-stab them but it still took a lot of fun out of the pvp. And I also REALLY
like the guard break for punishing the turtles and greatshield BS fishers. I like the new infusion system. (Does anyone else thing raw infusion on sheilds should up the physical damage reduciton while lowering the elemental reduction?) I also like
how now every weapon is viable with the proper build, even previously worthless stuff like the mailbreaker and whips. I like how dex scaling isn't the end all anymore. And while I know people say that the strength boost is higher than dex on weapons with the
same letter scaleing all I can say is.... GOOD! Fast weapons should NOT get the same amount of damage boost as slower weapons. (Just my opinion)

What don't I like? Despite hating people that fish for backstabs I also hate the DUMB crap like jester's chest piece and the turtle armor. Why? Because it encourages sloppy play. Why learn to properly use a Ultra Great Sword when you can just swing
away without worry about being punished for it.? I have also seen LOTS of backstab fishers wearing the jesters chest.... Hypocrites. If I was fromsoft I would compleatly delete the gower's ring, and
I would re-work the jester's so not only can you not be backstabed but the person wearing it ALSO cannot backstab.

I hate the de-spawning of enemies. Sorry, but being able to just kill something 12 times and have it gone takes away a lot from the game. In DKS1 you had to beat them or run past them. Period. It forced you to learn a tactic to avoid them or actualy beat
them. I also HATE the fact that you can rank down in the arena. It turned it into a spam fest of cheeze. Everyone is going for the cheapest/easiest possible kill because they want to make that (insainly high) 500 rank. The arena should be about fun, not a
tedious grind.

And speaking of grinding. If you are going to have an enemy that only spawns once and drops rare gear, then the gear
should have a 100% drop rate!!! Farming for asetics so I can farm for gear isn't fun.

I really am quite happy with and enjoy DSK2. It was a great game. But there was just something speacial about DSK1. I enjoyed making new characters and running through the game again and again. In 2 I just... Don't. I play the 4 characters I have
and everytime I go to start a new one, I'm burned out on it before I make it past the iron keep. I'm not even sure why. And that is what really bugs me.

 

I've played all three of them and, while the brilliant Dark Souls world connectivity isn't there, I find Dark Souls 2 to be the most fun of the three. The forced PVP is what makes the game so great and they've improved on most of the mechanics in Dark Souls
2 - some steps backward but mostly for the better. Can't wait for Bloodborne and the Ivory King DLC.

 

ETA: Regarding Soul Memory...

I've never had a problem with it and there seems to be a dichotomy in the community about it. The leveling kinda sorta breaks around 350-400 anyway, sure you get incremental increases but they aren't the "game changers" that people make them out to be.

The moment I realized level didn't matter was when I beat a level 742 and his phantom at a much lower level. I know he was a level 742 because he told me in his hatemail and I was also accused of modding. LOL!

Skill > Level, all day e'ry day!

 

No, level doesn't always matter, as it is possible to win against higher level opponents. (Can I ask what level you were ReignStorm 777?) The thing is that you are constantly matched up against people who have a higher level if you don't level yourself
to the point of being a superhuman character. You'll win some by skill, but you'll lose a lot of them due to just being overwhelmed by the odds. I've also beaten people much higher in level than I, but it is not fun to continually face them over and over
and always be at a disadvantage.

 

It was awhile ago so I don't remember exactly what level I was, but I was at least half his level...and I beat his phantom buddy...AND I got accused of modding. You've got people on Twitch at SL1 beating SL400s. It might be more difficult but it most certainly
can be done. Soul Memory may have killed the meta, but twinks being matched up with same level folks were just as bad, if not worse, in Dark Souls. Nostaliga seems to want people to believe otherwise but Dark Souls 2 PvP is better is just about every single
way to Dark Souls. Dark Souls wins PvE but playing Dark Souls after Dark Souls 2 shows just how bad the first one really was in comparison.

 

Half of level 742 still puts you in the very high level. Do you know what level the summon was? The summon could have been lower level than you due to soul memory.

As for people on Twitch, there's a reason they stream. I'm not as good as they are, most people are not. I got decent at PvP in DkS1, and I still have some skill in DkS2, but it's still very hard to continually have to fight higher level characters. And,
in DkS2 level matters more than it did in DkS1.

I do agree that SM gets rid of low-level griefing (please don't call them "twinks" as that has other meanings that are derogatory) and I agree that was a good thing. But, there were other ways to take care of that without destroying the meta that the PvP
community used. SM feels, to me, like a slap in the face to the PvP community.

As for whether DkS2 PvP is better, I'd like to know why you think that. I can think of quite a few things that I like better in DkS1, like weapon tracking, poise, roll attack tracking, the speed, etc. DkS2 seems like they changed it ways to take out the
skillful aspects of PvP, which is part of what makes level more important in the game. I would be interested to hear your thoughts though.

 

I actually stated that incorrectly, I meant at most half his level. Regardless, he was a level 742 and had a phantom. I have no idea what the summon level was...again, this was awhile ago. You seem baffled that someone at level 742 can be beat - just as
baffled as the guy I beat based on his hatemail. The incremental advantages after around 350-400 aren't as big as people want you to believe...but the tears flow nonetheless.

Not all Twitch streamers are good, in fact I've beat some of the top streamers and I don't consider myself any better than average.

Dude, the meta is dead in Dark Souls 2...it's not coming back and it likely will never change after this length of time (it's been months). SM is here to stay for Dark Souls 2 - I don't understand why people continue to complain about something that has
changed from their precious Dark Souls. Some people, like myself, actually prefer SM. Most every Twitch streamer will tell you that Dark Souls 2 is superior for PvP despite SM. The game has changed, some people love it, others hate it. I don't understand why
people don't go back and play Dark Souls if they loved the meta so much. I suspect it's because Dark Souls 2 is still better for PvP.

Play the game how you want to play it. Want to wear full havels, chug estus, and spam Forbidden Sun all day? Do it! Want to keep yourself at level 150 or 200 to make it challenging and feel super meta? Do it! Just don't tell me how to play my game or expect
me to play by your rules. This isn't necessarily directed at you but all the crybabies who haven't come to terms that the game has changed and it's time to poo or get off the pot. Either embrace the new game or there's the door.

I don't mean to be abrasive but people crying about this weapon or that spell or that armor or this SM tier...is why we can't have nice things in Dark Souls 2.

 

Red, people calling the DKS1 low level greifers "Twinks" is intended to be derogatory they know all about the "other" meaning of the word.... Just sayin

I would also like to add a big F-You to Fromsoft for:

Nerfing daggers (crits and base damage) into usless garbage. I liked my Royal Dirk. It didn't even have crit boost.

Ruining Mundane in general. So much for that "new" upgrade path.

Nerfing several other weapons for no apparent reason. I had a mailbreaker for a close in weapon to offset my Zwei, Nope can't use it anymore because even with a leo ring counter it does less than 200 damage when I used to get 350-400. (it's crit was also
nerfed)

AND THANKS FOR STILL LETTING KATANA'S WIN EVERY SINGLE TRADE HIT BECAUSE OF A STUPID HIGH COUNTER DAMAGE OF 150!!! WTF is a Katana winning in damage trading with Ultra Great Weapons or weapons designed for counters like rapier's and spears?

 

@ReignStorm 777

Still, you were pretty high level. Level becomes less important as you get higher up. The difference between level 742 and level 400 is not that much. There's a much larger difference between 150 and 250. And, no, I'm not baffled that someone at almost
max level can be beat. I'm not sure what gave you that idea.

And, I agree that not all Twitch streamers are good. What I should have said was that Twitch streamers who are winning at sl1 are quite good. I'm not that good. I probably will never be that good.

Also, I understand that SM is here to stay. It was still a bad idea. Part of the souls genre is having to make sacrifices in how you build and maintain your character...at least it used to be. Now, it is not. Take Adaptability for instance. I see what
they were trying to do there. They upped the fast roll percentage so that people could fast roll in heavy armor, and they added a stat to make it so that you would have to invest in levels to keep under 70%. I think they figured that light, fast characters
would invest in ADP to get more I-frames, while heavy tank characters would invest in VIT in order to just keep their fast roll. And, I admit it makes a certain bit of sense. Of course, it makes no sense, and it completely destroys the point once you add
in SM. Why? Because there's no need to make choices anymore. Oh, you want more I-frames and to fast roll in the strongest, heaviest armor, just add more levels. There is no such thing as sacrifice anymore.

Also, many people still play DkS1 and do PvP, but not enough, simply because DkS2 is newer, not necessarily because it is better. Twitchers and YouTubers won't get as many hits for playing an older game.

I'm also not telling you how to play your game. I'm pointing out why I think there are problems with SM and the mechanics of the game. I'm still hoping that you can discuss with us what you think are the improvements in the mechanics, because I can name
a few places that are better and worse off the top of my head (and did name some things that I thought were worse).

Lastly, it's true that lots of people have complained about lots of things, and I'd agree that not all of those complaints had merit. Some of them did, however. FROM has done quite a bit to try and address fan concerns, which is to their credit. I agree
with some of their changes, I disagree with others. For instance, I agree with their decision to not allow healing items to be used in the covenant arenas. I agreed with their nerf of the parry frames of the monastery scimitar. I disagree with their un-nerfing
of it later.

@Fly Guy

I understand that "twink" is supposed to be derogatory towards low-level griefers, but I object to the splash-damage that occurs to the LGBTQ community from using slurs of that nature. Surely there are better ways we can be derogatory towards low-level
griefers without using terms that are derogatory to certain classes of people that aren't (as a class) involved in low-level griefing.

 

Red, I was going to respond to your points and provide you with my thoughts but after reading your response to FlyGuy I simply refuse to do it. After all the valid points he made you were stuck on his first sentence? I'm not sure if you're a "member" of
the L-alphabetsoup community and frankly, I don't care. I have a cousin who is a member and we all (my family) love him to death but what we don't do is get our panties in a bunch about double meanings or slang terms...that in my opinion, simply perpetuates
the very hate that one hopes to extinguish.

@Fly - wow, I had no idea about mundane being nerfed. I need to read the patch notes (although some changes aren't published like the monatery scrubitar) - I did notice that my daggers are doing jack now and thought it was an oops like the lightening damage
being nerfed rather than buffed last time.

ETA:

I keep talking about DS2 PvP being great and better than DS, and IMO it is, but after completing the most recent DLC I was reminded why I found the PvE portion more tedious than fun. Granted I'm on NG++ but that Frigid Outskirts level had me cursing From
Software in a big way. I do remember being anxious to play through DeS and DS1 in NG+etc. but I actually dreaded NG+ in DS2. I hope Bloodborne can live up to the hype.

 

Red: People are going to do what they do. Personaly I call low-level greifers "human garbage" because they are abusing the invasion mechanic.

And frankly for 99% of the cases where people get "offended" they simply just need to cowboy the F up and carry on. Political correctness has gone WAY to far today. And I'm not talking about the "LGBTQ" community. It is more of a general thing. For example.
Black people are.... BLACK not "African American". 99% of the Blacks in this country where born here and raised here. The only true "African Americans" are people that have immigrated from Africa.

And the Monistary Scimitar NEEDED a nerf to its parries. It was broken and being abused.

 

@ReignStorm 777

The reason I didn't address the rest of Fly Guy's points is because he was being critical of DkS2. Did you not understand that? It was not my intent to defend DkS2, so I felt no need to address points that I largely agree with.

Secondly, I fail to see how it perpetuates hatred to ask people not to use hateful terms. Would you use the n-word to describe someone whose actions you don't like, whether you know they are black or not?

Lastly, I agree with you on the Frigid Outskirts. Pretty much all the "challenge areas" of the DLC are terrible IMO.

@Fly Guy8791

I agree with you that low-level griefers are terrible people, because in reality they are sociopaths. That's still no reason to use derogatory terms that affect others that are not griefing. Would you call them the n-word in order to be derogatory towards
them? As for offense, it's much easier to "cowboy the F up and carry on," when you are not on the receiving end. In reality, that offense, however, is thrust onto some groups on a pretty much daily basis, and sometimes it bleeds over into violence. Please
don't feed into that.

As for the monastery scimitar, I said that I agreed with the nerf to the parry frames. I'm not sure if you were trying to agree with me or argue with me on that score, but it seems we are in agreement there.