Can't set home xbox

@Swmutches

As for your verified answer, you are absolutely correct that sharing account credentials and passwords is expressly prohibited. However, this is by no means mandatory in order to share you digital games.

 

@Bimnog

Where does it say specifically that it has to be a console that you own? On the support page detailing the feature, when they say "your console," I believe they simply mean your Home Xbox console, not necessarily one that you purchased. They just assume
that people will wish to use this feature on their most frequently used console, which is why they recommend for users to do so but don't prohibit players from doing otherwise.

windows.microsoft.com/.../music-movies-tv-usage-rules

Xbox One Digital Games

• How many consoles can I use a game on?
  
  You'll get a device license and a user license to every game you download from the Xbox Store. You can designate one console as your “Home” console and multiple users can select the same console for their Home console. The device license will automatically
  attach to your Home console, even if it’s not the console you're making the purchase from. As the purchaser of the game, the user license will be associated with your Xbox Live account.
  
• Who can use my game?
  
  Anyone can use your game on your Home console under your device license. When you log onto any other console with your Xbox Live account, you may use all games to which you have a user license.
  
• Can I change my Home console to a different console?
  
  You can change which console is your Home console up to 3 times during a one year period (365 days). When you change Home consoles, all device licenses for digital content will move to your new Home console and will no longer be available on your old “Home”
  console.
  

 

I brought up the credentials because the OP stated that he gave his friend his account information. I know it's not a necessity for sharing games.

I don't have any specific gamertags, but you can probably search back through the suspension forums (forums.xbox.com/.../41.aspx) to find plenty of people who were
banned for marketplace theft. I remember reading several of them. The disclaimer you posted is actually relatively new and has only been on the website for the past year or so.

 

Ah, yes, of course. In this case, his account would be subject to most likely a temporary suspension of they detect it in their IP logs.

I'll be sure to look through there, but I'm not convinced that they equate digital game-sharing to Marketplace Theft. I reckon that those statements are most likely referring to different variations of purchasing/selling accounts, sharing one account frequently
between several different IP addresses, account theft, etc...even if it would technically violate some of those statements based upon how broadly worded they are. Nearly every suspension of Marketplace Theft I've seen on the forums has had to do with requesting
too many refunds from Xbox Support.

I'm not sure if the Enforcement Team can track which content license belongs to which account, but the only way I can see them enforcing this is if someone License Transfers their content to a different friend's Xbox 360 console every 4 months for several
years, since the License Transfer duplicates the console license, therefore exceeding the Xbox Live Usage Rules. Even in such an extreme scenario, I'm still uncertain that they would take action.

The only other scenario that comes to mind is if you were to repeatedly call Xbox Support to reset your annual limit on changing the Home Xbox, as this would be artificially bypassing a system limitation.

I think the bottom line for this is that if they ban or have been banning people for this, we would know it by now through people posting in the forums about it. They may not openly promote these features to be used this way (they technically do on the DRM
page I linked in my last post), but they probably figure that it would be more detrimental than beneficial to them to begin penalizing people for it. After all, their profit margins would be shot and they would have to deal with the influx of an astronomical
backlash by the community, and thus it is tacitly (perhaps even begrudgingly) permitted.

That's just my two cents on the matter, though.

 

I think the ones who did get banned were probably exploiting it. Pretty much like you said. Probably the enforcement team noticed an abnormal amount of license transfers to one console or something along those lines. I don't think it was much of an issue
with say something along the lines of going to a friend's house across the street and license transferring there and that being the only thing you did. It probably wouldn't send a red flag, but could still have counted as marketplace theft if the enforcement
team really dug into it.

 

Yeah, I agree. Those statements on the Marketplace Theft page are purposely written as broadly as possible to encompass all possible liabilities and infractions as a precautionary measure. I would argue that many of those statements are largely ill-defined
and lack enough specificity to discern the parameters of whether a certain action would constitute a violation or not.

Another issue is that they assume you are a member of only one household, and there are different contextual scenarios of using both of your content licenses on two separate IP addresses.

For example, if I were to bring my "roaming" Xbox One console to my college dorm or apartment and left my Home Xbox at my parent's house for siblings or other family members to use the console license for accessing my digital games. The same thing applies
with the Xbox 360. I think this would be a more legitimate use of the feature, but they wouldn't be able to differentiate this from the normal scenario of game-sharing with a friend.

Another example would simply be to go over to a friend's house and use your gamertag license while a sibling uses your console license back at your house. You would still be sharing your games with your friend, but in a much different context. This scenario
is actually tacitly and strongly implied on Major Nelson's website.

majornelson.com/.../xbox-one-sharing-digital-games-and-gold

Because your digital games go with you, you can also use and share digital games when you sign in to another console. And, if you happen to buy a digital game when you are signed in on your friend’s console,
your game will also be available on your Home Xbox One console for anyone to use.

Ultimately, there's no way for them to definitively prove whether or not someone is a legal resident of a specific household and owns the Xbox consoles in question, and they probably realize that people can belong to multiple households. That's one of the
main reasons people haven't been suspended for this - they're giving people the benefit of the doubt with 2 separate IP addresses, but it would probably be a different story for the Xbox 360 License Transfer tool if they detect the same console license being
used on dozens of different IP addresses concurrently. Again, this dependent on whether they can tell if the licenses being used are digital or on the disc - I assume they can, but it's possible that they can't.

The other reason is that, unlike physical copies of games, digital games cannot be resold to a vendor. There's no "used" digital game market, which probably correlates to why they grant the player 2 licenses rather than just 1. Plenty of other digital medium
services such as Netflix (I would imagine the same applies to Hulu and Amazon) and most especially iTunes grant the user with multiple licenses, and they're not really going to care about who's using the content. In fact, this digital game-sharing may actually
be financially beneficial to them since it incentives people to purchase games digitally and move away from buying used games.

They've already accounted for this before the features were even implemented into their system - that's exactly why, as you mentioned in one of your previous posts, they limit your License Transfers/Home Xbox changes to 3 times annually. If this really posed
a significant issue for them, then they would've revoked the gamertag license away from users and increased the cool-down period to once or twice a year for the console licenses a long time ago.

 

What are some specific examples of marketplace theft?
Marketplace theft includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Getting, asking for, or using redemption codes illegitimately
• Transferring licenses to your console from an account that you didn’t create
  
• Using a system glitch or loophole for financial gain
• Using any sort of “shared” account to avoid having to pay for games or content
  
• Successfully redeeming or giving away a code and contacting customer support claiming the code didn’t work
  
• Attempting to defraud Microsoft or authorized agents
• Fraudulently transferring content licenses
  
• Sharing account credentials
• Asking to be added to someone’s third party subscription (such as Netflix, Hulu, etc.), in order to avoid restrictions or payment
  

 

Yes, I've seen that Marketplace Theft page before, and it doesn't change my viewpoint on the matter at all. Could they ban you for this? Sure, because they reserve the right to ban you for any reason they want in their Terms of Use. Most of these are referring
to the purchase and sale of accounts, credit card fraud, sharing one account many different IP addresses (this overlaps with Account Theft), and otherwise using your account/licenses for publishing/commercial purposes. Digital "Game-Sharing" with friends or
even within your own household between two consoles would technically be an infraction of some of these rules if you take them at face value, which is why I go by the reality of the situation and not the technicalities. There are exceptions to, variations
of, and far too many scenarios involving concurrent license usage in tandem with all of those statements, and they have never chosen to enforce many of the statements written on their legal documentation pages. Almost every single reported instance of Marketplace
Theft in the Xbox forums and on other websites has correlated to credit card fraud by obtaining illegitimate refunds from Xbox Support. I won't bother addressing each individual statement, but they are worded as broadly as possible to encompass every possible
situation, even though what they're actually referring to are very extreme, distinct scenarios that aren't wholly correlated to sharing digital games.

I wouldn't have this opinion if the Enforcement Team actually penalized people for this (which they haven't, otherwise we would know about it) and if many of their own support representatives clarified the real meanings behind the content listed on that
page. The bottom line is that the primary functionality (or one of, at least) of those system features enables this, and if they thought it posed a significant issue, they would've taken the appropriate measures (unrelated to Enforcement) to nullify it a long
time ago. Hence, I believe their inaction speaks volumes, and I rest my case.

 

you can try and justify anyway you want , your are still playing a game you didn't pay for , that's theft ....just because its possible to do something dosent mean you should ...common sense tells you if you have to set an xbox that isn't yours as "home"
, you are doing something wrong...

 

And heres an example i found for someone banned for marketplace theft due to gamesharing:

forums.xbox.com/.../2140048.aspx

Regardless you can do what you want but if you get banned dont say we didnt tell you so

 

Using any sort of “shared” account to avoid having to pay for games or content

^^^

But thats the key part your not understanding. Youd be trying to play content you DID NOT PAY FOR. Hence youd be stealing

 

To which I would argue that that is the primary function of the feature, and they place no restriction on where your console(s) reside, nor do they specify the extent/parameters to which you can concurrently use your licenses. There are many different contextual
scenarios wherein a person can legally belong to multiple households, and they have no way of distinguishing that from other types of activity, etc. Again, I refer you to the Xbox Live Usage Rules.

windows.microsoft.com/.../music-movies-tv-usage-rules

As for that Marketplace Theft suspension page you listed, it's inconclusive at best. He said he shared his account with his cousin, and vice versa, so what it sounds like is they frequently swapped accounts by signing in and out of their respective accounts
repeatedly and frequently over the course of many days, and so the Enforcement Team detected unusual account activity in their IP logs. I'm sure the enforcement email he received and the Case Review stated something along the lines of "unauthorized account
recovery" because they were presumably signing into each other's gamertags.

I'm not trying to attack or defend the ethicality of it - I'm just going by the reality of what I know to be true in that they don't penalize people for it. I know people who've been doing this since the Xbox One console came out, and people who've been
doing this since the Xbox 360 era, all of whom haven't been suspended for it whatsoever. I'm a firm believer that actions speak louder than words, and their lack thereof towards this showcases their apathy because they don't deem it to be egregious or detrimental
to the sanctity of Xbox. I listed some of the probable reasons as to why this is in one of my previous posts.

That statement about a shared account is referring to the same account being used/signing on and off consoles frequently across multiple different IP addresses. An example would be if someone decided to post in these forums with an email address and password,
and everyone in the respective thread shared that one account with each other.

 

if its to be used as you claim (its not) , then why dosent Microsoft use that as a selling point by telling people you can set a console you don't own half way around the world as "yours" and play somebody elses games ? They NEVER mention that you and
your "friend" can tell each others consoles that they are yours... your getting games you didn't pay for , if that was the intent , they would SURLY advertise that as it is a GREAT selling point... whether they will "catch " you or not or if they even try
is not the point , its abuse of the feature...

 

If you go back and look at the support page about the My Home Xbox feature, the page and its embedded video detail the functionality of the feature, and they do not promote or play down specific contexts in which it is used, nor are they especially relevant
since it is not a web page related to their rules and regulations. You're correct in that they don't mention this specific scenario because they don't mention any specific scenario involving its use. I've spoken with multiple supervising managers about your
inquiry, and a common response was that it would incentivize people to call up Xbox Support to reset the 3 times per year limitation on designating the feature to a console, therefore bypassing an inherent system limitation. That is the only genuine instance
in which this feature can "misused" or "abused," and even then I believe it would constitute as an abuse of the Xbox Support staff in much the same way that fraudulently requesting too many refunds does.

It's not about whether the enforcement team "catches" you - presumably they are easily able to see where content licenses are being used, and they were aware that this use of the feature was possible before the console was even publicly released. They deliberately
choose not to enforce this because it falls within the bounds of the Usage Rules - it's not a matter of them lacking the manpower to enforce it. There are several logical reasons as to why they don't enforce this, some of which I outlined earlier. If they
penalized people for this, then this forum, as well as every other major website affiliated with video games, would be constantly flooded with individuals complaining about it.

I really don't wish to perpetuate this by haggling points with you here, but rest assured that everything I've said has been verified to me by many of their own representatives.

 

maybe your right and it isn't stealing , I have to go to Walmart later this evening and when I get to the registers I'm just gona tell them I don't have to pay because my friend who lives out of state has this store as his "home" Walmart , he bought the
exact same items where he actually lives last week so he shouldn't have to pay for them again....im sure they will wave me right through...... lots of people work on these games , its their livelihood , just because you found a loophole to keep from paying
them for their work dosent mean you should . There is a FAR greater force you are dealing with than the enforcement team , her name is karma , she dosent like it when people take stuff they didn't pay for and she is coming around ...its not ok and an honest
person wouldn't do it...