Can't find the important difference between two encoded files

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  1. Luchelibre
    Luchelibre Guest

    Can't find the important difference between two encoded files


    I have two mp4/avc/aac files served to the xbox through the media server in a TP-link router with a USB hard drive attached. One plays and one says it's unsupported. What is the critical difference between these two files?

    This is the MediaInfo dump of the file that will play.

    [table][tr][td]General [/td][/tr][tr][td]Complete name :[/td][td]MVI_7989.mp4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format :[/td][td]MPEG-4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format profile :[/td][td]Base Media[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID :[/td][td]isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)[/td][/tr][tr][td]File size :[/td][td]727 KiB[/td][/tr][tr][td]Duration :[/td][td]2s 857ms[/td][/tr][tr][td]Overall bit rate mode :[/td][td]Variable[/td][/tr][tr][td]Overall bit rate :[/td][td]2 084 Kbps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Encoded date :[/td][td]UTC 2016-04-19 23:36:18[/td][/tr][tr][td]Tagged date :[/td][td]UTC 2016-04-19 23:36:18[/td][/tr][tr][td]Writing application :[/td][td]Lavf57.31.100[/td][/tr][/table]

    [table][tr][td]Video [/td][/tr][tr][td]ID :[/td][td]1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format :[/td][td]AVC[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format/Info :[/td][td]Advanced Video Codec[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format profile :[/td][td]Main@L4.1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format settings, CABAC :[/td][td]Yes[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format settings, ReFrames :[/td][td]2 frames[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID :[/td][td]avc1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID/Info :[/td][td]Advanced Video Coding[/td][/tr][tr][td]Duration :[/td][td]2s 837ms[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit rate :[/td][td]2 000 Kbps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Width :[/td][td]720 pixels[/td][/tr][tr][td]Height :[/td][td]576 pixels[/td][/tr][tr][td]Display aspect ratio :[/td][td]4:3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Original display aspect ratio :[/td][td]4:3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Frame rate mode :[/td][td]Constant[/td][/tr][tr][td]Frame rate :[/td][td]29.970 (30000/1001) fps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Color space :[/td][td]YUV[/td][/tr][tr][td]Chroma subsampling :[/td][td]4:2:0[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit depth :[/td][td]8 bits[/td][/tr][tr][td]Scan type :[/td][td]Progressive[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bits/(Pixel*Frame) :[/td][td]0.161[/td][/tr][tr][td]Stream size :[/td][td]693 KiB (95%)[/td][/tr][tr][td]Writing library :[/td][td]x264 core 148 r2665[/td][/tr][tr][td]Encoding settings :[/td][td]cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=0 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=299 / keyint_min=29 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=24000 / vbv_bufsize=24000 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00[/td][/tr][tr][td]Encoded date :[/td][td]UTC 2016-04-19 23:36:18[/td][/tr][tr][td]Tagged date :[/td][td]UTC 2016-04-19 23:36:18[/td][/tr][/table]

    [table][tr][td]Audio [/td][/tr][tr][td]ID :[/td][td]2[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format :[/td][td]AAC[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format/Info :[/td][td]Advanced Audio Codec[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format profile :[/td][td]LC[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID :[/td][td]40[/td][/tr][tr][td]Duration :[/td][td]2s 857ms[/td][/tr][tr][td]Duration_LastFrame :[/td][td]-23ms[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit rate mode :[/td][td]Variable[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit rate :[/td][td]85.9 Kbps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Maximum bit rate :[/td][td]128 Kbps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Channel(s) :[/td][td]2 channels[/td][/tr][tr][td]Channel(s)_Original :[/td][td]1 channel[/td][/tr][tr][td]Channel positions :[/td][td]Front: C[/td][/tr][tr][td]Sampling rate :[/td][td]44.1 KHz[/td][/tr][tr][td]Frame rate :[/td][td]43.066 fps (1024 spf)[/td][/tr][tr][td]Compression mode :[/td][td]Lossy[/td][/tr][tr][td]Stream size :[/td][td]29.9 KiB (4%)[/td][/tr][tr][td]Default :[/td][td]Yes[/td][/tr][tr][td]Alternate group :[/td][td]1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Encoded date :[/td][td]UTC 2016-04-19 23:36:18[/td][/tr][tr][td]Tagged date :[/td][td]UTC 2016-04-19 23:36:18[/td][/tr][/table]

    And this is the one that will not play and causes the xbox to throw the 'unsupported error'.

    [table][tr][td]General [/td][/tr][tr][td]Complete name :[/td][td]MVI_3234.mp4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format :[/td][td]MPEG-4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format profile :[/td][td]Base Media / Version 2[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID :[/td][td]mp42 (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)[/td][/tr][tr][td]File size :[/td][td]3.26 GiB[/td][/tr][tr][td]Duration :[/td][td]2h 15mn[/td][/tr][tr][td]Overall bit rate mode :[/td][td]Variable[/td][/tr][tr][td]Overall bit rate :[/td][td]3 438 Kbps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Writing application :[/td][td]HandBrake 6243svn 2014073001[/td][/tr][/table]

    [table][tr][td]Video [/td][/tr][tr][td]ID :[/td][td]1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format :[/td][td]AVC[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format/Info :[/td][td]Advanced Video Codec[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format profile :[/td][td]Main@L4[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format settings, CABAC :[/td][td]Yes[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format settings, ReFrames :[/td][td]4 frames[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format settings, GOP :[/td][td]M=1, N=3[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID :[/td][td]avc1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID/Info :[/td][td]Advanced Video Coding[/td][/tr][tr][td]Duration :[/td][td]2h 15mn[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit rate :[/td][td]2 800 Kbps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Width :[/td][td]1 280 pixels[/td][/tr][tr][td]Height :[/td][td]536 pixels[/td][/tr][tr][td]Display aspect ratio :[/td][td]2.40:1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Frame rate mode :[/td][td]Variable[/td][/tr][tr][td]Frame rate :[/td][td]23.976 (24000/1001) fps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Minimum frame rate :[/td][td]23.974 fps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Maximum frame rate :[/td][td]23.981 fps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Color space :[/td][td]YUV[/td][/tr][tr][td]Chroma subsampling :[/td][td]4:2:0[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit depth :[/td][td]8 bits[/td][/tr][tr][td]Scan type :[/td][td]Progressive[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bits/(Pixel*Frame) :[/td][td]0.170[/td][/tr][tr][td]Stream size :[/td][td]2.66 GiB (81%)[/td][/tr][tr][td]Writing library :[/td][td]x264 core 142 r2431 ac76440[/td][/tr][tr][td]Encoding settings :[/td][td]cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=4 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2800 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=20000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00[/td][/tr][tr][td]Color range :[/td][td]Limited[/td][/tr][tr][td]Color primaries :[/td][td]BT.709[/td][/tr][tr][td]Transfer characteristics :[/td][td]BT.709[/td][/tr][tr][td]Matrix coefficients :[/td][td]BT.709[/td][/tr][tr][td]Menus :[/td][td]3[/td][/tr][/table]

    [table][tr][td]Audio [/td][/tr][tr][td]ID :[/td][td]2[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format :[/td][td]AAC[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format/Info :[/td][td]Advanced Audio Codec[/td][/tr][tr][td]Format profile :[/td][td]LC[/td][/tr][tr][td]Codec ID :[/td][td]40[/td][/tr][tr][td]Duration :[/td][td]2h 15mn[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit rate mode :[/td][td]Variable[/td][/tr][tr][td]Bit rate :[/td][td]632 Kbps[/td][/tr][tr][td]Channel(s) :[/td][td]2 channels[/td][/tr][tr][td]Channel(s)_Original :[/td][td]6 channels[/td][/tr][tr][td]Channel positions :[/td][td]Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE[/td][/tr][tr][td]Sampling rate :[/td][td]48.0 KHz[/td][/tr][tr][td]Frame rate :[/td][td]46.875 fps (1024 spf)[/td][/tr][tr][td]Compression mode :[/td][td]Lossy[/td][/tr][tr][td]Stream size :[/td][td]615 MiB (18%)[/td][/tr][tr][td]Language :[/td][td]English[/td][/tr][tr][td]Default :[/td][td]Yes[/td][/tr][tr][td]Alternate group :[/td][td]1[/td][/tr][tr][td]Menus :[/td][td]3[/td][/tr][/table]

    :)
     
    Luchelibre, Apr 19, 2016
    #1
  2. Spud 72
    Spud 72 Guest
    Addicted to this DEMO...but why the similar camo patterns

    Other than names over heads I honestly can't tell the difference between the two.
     
    Spud 72, Apr 19, 2016
    #2
  3. LeeC22
    LeeC22 Guest
    Media player preview won't show all my video files! Help!

    Download mediainfo on the PC, and check the codecs used in the files that don't show up.

    AVI, MP4 and MKV are simply containers, that can contain video/audio streams encoded using various codecs. If the Xbox One can't play the codec, it probably won't display the video file.

    That may not be the answer, but it might narrow down any compatibility problems between the player and the actual files.
     
    LeeC22, Apr 19, 2016
    #3
  4. Irixion
    Irixion Guest

    Can't find the important difference between two encoded files

    Just re-encode your files on your computer to be supported...If you're just using it on the Xbox, a wmv container profile would work just fine. The xbox hates things, even if they say they're supported.
     
    Irixion, Apr 20, 2016
    #4
  5. Arminator
    Arminator Guest
    This I guess is the critical difference:

    1st Video Audio part:

    [quote user="Luchelibre"]

    Channel(s) :2 channels

    Channel(s)_Original :1 channel

    Channel positions :Front: C[/quote]

    2nd video audio part:

    [quote user="Luchelibre"]

    Channel(s) :2 channels

    Channel(s)_Original :6 channels

    Channel positions :Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE[/quote]

    I don't know how you encoded the videos, but the Xbox 360 only supports MPEG4 and AAC 2 channel stereo. 6 Channel AAC surround is not supported.
     
    Arminator, Oct 31, 2018
    #5
  6. Irixion Win User

    Can't find the important difference between two encoded files

    Just re-encode your files on your computer to be supported...If you're just using it on the Xbox, a wmv container profile would work just fine. The xbox hates things, even if they say they're supported.
  7. Arminator Win User

    Can't find the important difference between two encoded files

    This I guess is the critical difference:

    1st Video Audio part:

    [quote user="Luchelibre"]

    Channel(s) :2 channels

    Channel(s)_Original :1 channel

    Channel positions :Front: C[/quote]

    2nd video audio part:

    [quote user="Luchelibre"]

    Channel(s) :2 channels

    Channel(s)_Original :6 channels

    Channel positions :Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE[/quote]

    I don't know how you encoded the videos, but the Xbox 360 only supports MPEG4 and AAC 2 channel stereo. 6 Channel AAC surround is not supported.
  8. Blindsided46 Win User

    DTS vs Dolby Digital

    I agree that DTS has a higher bitrate in terms of DVDs and Blu Rays. But i can't for the life of me find any info on it when it comes to games or streaming content on the X1 lol because of the way that it encodes/decodes audio information.

    I mean, there HAS to be a difference in some way or another since you have the option between the two. DD has always been a standard on consoles and most games were developed in DD 5.1.
  9. LeeC22 Win User

    Media player preview won't show all my video files! Help!

    Download mediainfo on the PC, and check the codecs used in the files that don't show up.

    AVI, MP4 and MKV are simply containers, that can contain video/audio streams encoded using various codecs. If the Xbox One can't play the codec, it probably won't display the video file.

    That may not be the answer, but it might narrow down any compatibility problems between the player and the actual files.
  10. IceStorm III Win User

    VGA setup, with Astro Gaming A40's

    [quote user="NanoTechSoldier"]It's Matrix Encoded,[/quote]The MixAmp does no encoding.
    Do you really think, that an Optical 7.1 Input, is really being 7.1 on a Stereo Headset.. (7.1 on 2channels)
    I don't have to think. I already know
    the MixAmp takes a 7.1 signal, decodes it into 8 discrete channels, then runs it through a DSP based on Dolby Headphone techology to provide a two channel positional audio output for use with headphones.



    Encode and process are two different terms when discussing audio. If you don't feel like using proper terms, find somewhere else to misinform people?
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