Back to the drawing board?

That PC arugument is never going to stick.

The masses dont go out buying 1000 dollar PC low-mid end rigs in groups to play the latest games and hope thier hardware is relevant even 2 years from thier purchase.

"dam my computer runs it billy, sucks you need to upgrade"

No the masses in groups purchase poverty level entertainment consoles in groups, knowing 2 things.

1. the manufactuer promises games will be talored to thier hardware for years upon years.

2. The manufacuer of the console makes sure the quility and compatiablilty of the titles remain user friendly in a clean fast package.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a "powerful" console that is tipped a little more to gaming.

 

[quote user="brandiesel1"]He's talking about console gaming as highlighted below.[/quote]Heh, he can't be. He can't say this:

and also say this:

for the current generation. In the past eight years, PC capabilities have far outstripped what can be crammed into a mass-produced, consumer-grade lump of plastic.

Funny,
I sit in the same chair to play console games as well as PC games. If anything, Steam's better at keeping things up to date than consoles are.

And I'm
tired of people whining about something they have zero control over.

The console platforms for this generation are a done deal. They will not be changing in terms of core functionality until the next cycle. Ranting about how something should be recalled isn't going to change that.[quote user="DiligentRogue7"]They actually
based on cost effective PC parts.[/quote]They didn't. Because something has the same ISA does not mean it has the same system architecture.[quote user="Zack Dollars"]This isn't about PC gaming. This is about console gaming.[/quote]So you retract this?

You can't say that and then decide to completely ignore one of the better options available at this time.

They didn't, but you'd
have to take a stab at understanding the system architecture to know that.

They spent money based on what people use their consoles for. Once again, more than 50% of Live Gold users time is spent on apps, and
has been since early 2012.

So a developer has to do some extra work and they're automatically experts on how the system architecture is intended to operate?

No, it wasn't. It was lauded for the same exact reason the original PlayStation was - it was easy to develop for.

Uh... I wouldn't
call the XBOX's 24 million to the GameCube's 22 million anything to write home about. Being a distant, distant second in a field of four is nothing to be happy about. MS lost billions on the original XBOX.

Funny,
I see plenty of games still coming out for the 360...

And your answer to that is... to build a mini PC?

And you say this with a straight face despite
both the PS4 and Xbox One selling faster than their respective predecessors?

You seem to be confusing graphical prowess with good console design. The two are not directly related. If the driving force behind your purchase decisions is graphical shininess, then buy a PC and a 4k TV that supports DisplayPort.

PC is the only platform where you have direct control over how a game looks. Saying the PC isn't germane to this discussion is to ignore both what you want out of gaming and the last eight years of history.

 

lol No, they won't recall the Xbox One, but what they might do at this years E3 is announce a Slim version of the XBO for obvious reasons. Including a user assessable replaceable/upgradable Hard Drive with faster memory, etc.

From what I gleamed from the net today. if these "Online Only Games" (titanfall/destiny) catches on with other developers, then Hard Drives for consoles will have to be measured in TB's as opposed to GB's.

It'll be interesting to see what transpires during this years E3 as MS has to know it's lagging in this generation of "console wars."

 

Icestorm... I have considered going back to PC gaming because consoles are lacking in innovation. This is the point. Consoles need to be more powerful. I respect PC gaming, but my experience is that it's a lot of work to have fun. The console experience
is seamless. Finally, I have never liked KB/Mouse controls. Just hook up a 360 controller to the PC? So easy, right? All games support it like an Xbox 360, right? Wrong!!!

 

OP, if you want more powerful consoles then start emailing and bugging the MS and Sony game hardware divisions now for the next generation. You are way too late for this gen, of course those game divisions will have a completely new staff by the time next
gen comes. Also, start saving. Because if you want top of the line hardware in your gaming console it's going to cost more than $300-400.00.

 

if ms want to bring a slimmer better xbox one out then ill buy it

 

If the market size doesn't significantly improve until mid 2015 I would expect them to go for a XB2 and depend on forward compatibility.

 

MS will obviously release a new XBox, the "ONE" has hardware that was programmed with MS's original ideas, those same ideas that gamers rejected and rebelled against. So MS back tracked and had to bring out lots of updates. Sadly these are no better than
emulation software, the reason why so many XBone owners are having problems. As one update is released it may cause a conflict, so another update is required.

MS has 2 ways to go,

1. Stick to their original ideas (once enough consoles have been sold). It only takes an update to revert everything back to the way they originally wanted, or.

2. Bring out a new XBone v2 with the hardware programmed with everything the gamers want. No more conflicts/problems.

Personally I think MS will go with option 1. The main reason why I'm holding off for a year or so before I buy a new console, I will wait and see what direction they take.

I'm more than happy with my 360 and there are still plenty of new games in the pipeline for it.

 

This:[quote user="Zack Dollars"]I have considered going back to PC gaming because consoles are lacking in innovation.[/quote]does not beget this:

This generation is less than a year old. Sony has a VR headset
coming. MS is rumored to be working on one. Microsoft fully embraced a hands-free controller and was burned for it. Innovation on a mass scale is happening. That you don't like it is a personal issue.

Are you
kidding? Current gen consoles aren't any sort of master class in "seamless experience".

With rare exception, multiplatform games on the PC support controller, same as the console version they're
ported from. For those that don't there's keysticks or xpadder.[quote user="RustyBucket21"]MS will obviously release a new XBox,[/quote]With core differences in system architecture? No, they won't. That's not how consoles work.

Programming is software. Hardware is not "programmed".

Backwards Compatibility has
nothing to do with this discussion.

 

IceStorm,

I'm sorry but the chips within the hardware ARE programmed and in the current XBone they are programmed for the original idea that MS had.

I never mentioned "Backward Compatibility". MS are having to use updates to overcome the original programming within the Chips that are in the XBone, thus "Similar to emulation software".

One more update and it could put the XBone back to what MS originally intended it to be. That's why I will wait a year or so before buying one. I want to see what direction they take.