500 GB Xbox One HDD - What were you thinking Microsoft?

So I have 5 games and 7 apps installed and I've used 49% of my HDD space. I researched installing a larger hard drive and it is not easily accessible, hard to root and transfer files plus I don't want to void my warranty. The PS4 can easily swap out its
hard drive for a larger drive up to 2TB. (TROLLS -I'm not a PS4 fan, don't even own one and would never buy anything Sony). With the 360 the hard drive was easily swappable and you could play games from the optical drive but It's not like I have the option
on XB1. I hope Microsoft will enable USB 3.0 HDD support for the XB1 soon and please don't make it proprietary. Thanks

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500 GB Hard Drive

500 gb is absolutely not enough if we're suppose to embrace digital games. My 120 gb HDD filled up quick and my 2nd hdd is 250 gb and also almost filled. 500gb will not last very long, this is why on my PS3 I upgraded to a 2 TB hdd

Unfortunately even disc games need to be installed and cached.

 

500 GB or 1TB console?

500 GB with a 3TB external HDD upgrade, unless you can get the 1TB for the same cost as the 500 GB.

 

External hard drives are a priority for the Xbox team right now, and will hopefully be implemented soon.

The reason for the 500GB hard drive is a mix between cost and customer use. The majority of customers are probably nowhere near the limit, and will not reach it for awhile. With saved games being handled by the cloud, games can be deleted without worry of
losing save data. The typical customer also does not play over 10 games (which is just an average of games that can be installed at once, depending on game size) at once.

 

@The Beacon, Its not the saved game data loss, its the 30-45 minute install time for a game. having to re-install a game that was uninstalled from my hard drive is a pain. Cost? the price difference between 500gb and 1tb can be found for less than $20 retail.
You obviously have statistics I don't, but all my friends have more than 10 games saved on their HDD. Microsoft should have learned their lesson years ago about Hard drive space with the 360's original 20gb.

 

This was a month ago, but I'm sure it hasn't changed extremely significantly (besides Titanfall):
news.xbox.com/.../xbox-one-january-npd

2.7 games per console. $20 for 1 million consoles is $20 million, to barely add any extra functionality for the average user. Also, when the console hardware was in development, the prices for hard drives were vastly different and harder to predict. You
have to stop somewhere when increasing size.

The original Xbox was the first console to have a hard drive. The 20gb hard drive for the 360 was more than enough for all the arcade games and saves that were available for release in 2005, and only when digital games and media started to become prevalent
was a hard drive even necessary.

30-45 minutes of install time of a game is really not a significant amount of time. Yes a nuisance, but until there is full game streaming there isn't a way around it. However, with external hard drives, which are on the way, you will be able to store everything
that you want without needing to reinstall.

 

External storage is on its way.

 

I have to disagree that "30-45 minutes...is really not a significant amount of time". Yes, it very much IS, especially when you're talking about installing multiple games.

The incoming update for external hard drives is certainly a welcome change, but it doesn't really address a couple of key, core concerns:

1. Why wasn't the external drive support there day one? Even Nintendo's Wii U offered that capability day and date. Xbox 360 has also had external drive support for *years*.

2. Why isn't the drive user upgradeable? This was one of the few key areas Sony got absolutely right with Playstation 3, and now 4--why didn't Microsoft see the importance of this when designing Xbox One?

For me, the stunning lack of features supported in Xbox One that Xbox 360 has and has had for years was reason enough to return the console for a full refund. In the time since, I bought a PS4, which only highlights further how far behind the Xbox One truly
is in offering a well designed, polished software system on day one. While PS4 is by no means perfect (It also leaves out a few features that PS3 has), it's a lot closer than Xbox One was in the weeks following launch.

My sincere hope is that MS makes Xbox One's software a priority and doesn't stick to the idiot "once a year" update track they long held for 360. The system needs a steady stream of updates to fill in gaps in functionality as rapidly as possible. There is
no time to waste on this subject. Hopefully, too, they'll introduce a revised Xbox One design rapidly, which allows for user serviceable hard drives.

 

@ The Beacon, $20 was an example I used and was the difference I would have to pay between a 500 and a 1TB. Microsoft would have spent pennies more for the difference, plus I think there was still plenty of room for profit, after all the PS4 is faster and
was initially offered for a $100 less. The 2.7 games per user for the Xbox 360 isn't a good comparison because the XB1 mandates installation of all games to be able to play and the 360 doesn't unless it's DLC.

 

@UglyBabyStudios

1. Priorities get shifted, especially when a key part of the console (once a day validation for games, games are only digital) gets changed months before release. The majority of people would never encounter a problem with space in the first few months,
so external drive support was shifted back. Xbox One is also built entirely from the ground up, so even if Xbox 360 had it, doesn't mean that Xbox One has it.

2. As said above, storage isn't an issue for the majority of users. This adds in extra hardware complexity; allowing the user an easy way to access the drive and replace is harder to design than not doing it.

The Xbox One has already had two major updates in four months, much faster than the Xbox 360. I'm sorry that you experienced enough issues to return your Xbox One, but why are you posting in the Xbox One support forums if you don't even have an Xbox One?

@Technoide

I'm not sure how you would know that it would cost Microsoft pennies for the difference. I was also using the $20 as an example, no matter the cost difference between the two sizes, there would be a cost difference, and you need to stop somewhere.

The Kinect (with all the research behind it to), is why the Xbox One is $100 more than the PS4, plan and simple.

The 2.7 games was for each Xbox One user, and considering that most games seem to average around 25GB (besides the more unoptimized games that are upwards of 50GB), which accounts for about a fourth of the current available hard drive space. As I said before,
yes, eventually the hard drives will fill up for everyone, but there will be external hard drive support in the near future, and users can just delete a game they haven't played in months and not worry about their save data being erased.

 

@ The Beacon

I just feel that 500GB with no possibility for upgrade is short sighted by Microsoft and instead of solutions we get excuses. 500GB fine, but make it upgradable. I wish their has been an option for a console without a bundled Kinect! I hope it improves!

 

@TheBeacon: I'm sorry, but no, allowing the hard drive to be user accessible in NO WAY adds complexity to the system. That is simply a false statement. If it does anything at all, it *reduces* complexity by providing an easy, clean way for a user to upgrade
their system according to what they believe they need. On PS4, it's literally a snap-off cover and a single screw--boom, any 12.5mm or slimmer laptop drive will work, regardless of manufacturer or capacity.

I have no doubt the Xbox One's complete lack of polish is due to MS changing policies at the last minute due to public backlash. And whose fault is that? It's Microsoft's.There had been rumors about the policies for 6 months prior to Xbox One's announcement,
and forums all across the internet were raging about it. There were petitions, there were angry emails, and Microsoft chose to ignore them until the public announcement predictably blew up in their faces. Here's the bottom line: Xbox One was not ready for
launch, and consumers now have to deal with a poorly implemented system at a premium price.

It's good that Xbox One has gotten some updates. I've read and seen all the videos about them, and played briefly with the updated system at a friend's house. It's still not enough. The UI still LOOKS like Windows 8 but doesn't *work* like Windows 8. It
still crashes and freezes a lot, and the games still aren't hitting 1080p with anything resembling consistency. Those are unacceptable.

Why am I posting? Because I DID own an Xbox One, and Microsoft's poor choices in its implementation left me with no choice but to return it. It simply isn't up to snuff for a $500 console.

As for the pricing, yes, Kinect is largely to blame for the $100 price difference, and that's a shame, especially given that the new Kinect is actually worse at recognizing voice controls (the most important feature it has) than is the 360 version. That's
just plain sad. But it's also troublesome because it shouldn't have added $100 to the price; the Xbox One is a less powerful, less well made system than PS4--even without Kinect, it shouldn't have been $399, it should have been closer to $349. That's all neither
here nor there, though.

The real problem--and it's STILL a problem--is that the system is still not even as good as its $199 predecessor.

 

Saying Sony got it right by allowing the user to upgrade the hard drive is just narrow sighted. I'd be seriously
[Mod Removed] if, only a few months after buying the PS4 I had to replace the existing hard drive with a larger one in order to continue using it! That 500gb hard drive wasn't included for free you know.

I'm not saying Ms are blameless though. External storage should have been available on day one, but, it is, thankfully on its way, and it's a better way than Sonys 'throw out your hard drive for a bigger one' method!

 

Could it be that Microsoft knew this would be an issue and decided to make you to pay for their external storage when you reached your small HD limit?? Time will tell. Show me the money!

 

Expandable storage trumps replaceable storage. MS made the right call.

That said, and certainly I buy a lot, my 500GB is almost full. I'll need this update out by June. Thx guys!